Hybrid Tech's future

[DeanR]

I posted a while back on this forum (another thread) about the Wireless Charging Technology that will change the game to charge EVs.. I have followed this technology since I first saw it in Vegas at the CES show in 2005. There has been quite a few companies working on this around the globe. The technology has evolved from straight "Induction" to "Magnetic Resonance" which was another of Nikola Tesla's inventions. Will they be able to charge EV's while driving down the road? . . . I think so.

I think the leaders in this technology are close to getting it to market. I will provide the links to the two companies I believe are leading the way so you can follow them as well - if you wish. Over 80% of people aren't willing to 'Plug in" because let's face it, we're lazy. That's why we have MIT!

https://spectrum.ieee.org/witricity-leverages-magnetic-resonance-for-flexible-wireless-charging

https://www.magment.co/magment-magpad/

Ok in theory I guess But we can't even do upkeep on the roads we have now let alone add this to ALL the roads.

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[Gr8Mustang]

Hybrid is the way to go for now.

Plug In is better as much driving is short hops.
Overnight charging is great but you need to be able to use gas if the driving in a given day exceeds 60-100 miles.
Hybrid Plug in AWD would be my choice.
All electric is still relying on carbon fueled electric generation and the cost of adding a 240 Volt charger gets us in a higher price point.

So in answer to the question, for now Hybrid in one form or another will be around for a while.

 

[UncleDuke]

Living in Nevada there are not enough places to charge yet. Still today when you head South out of Tonopah there is a sign at the city limit : "Next gas 163 miles"

 

[Watchman]

Then I'm not sure what you are debating. There are still huge infrastructure barriers to figure out before everybody is driving EVs and infrastructure changes are boulders, not pebbles. I personally see little evidence that it changes (as a whole) for another 20+ years.

Just debating that you're saying I said something I didn't - and you're doing it again. Nobody is saying "everybody" is or will ever drive an EV. The thread is about the "Future Technology". I have an old V12 Jaguar that I plan on driving until I run out of gas myself. There people who don't even own a car. If you think it will be 2050 until anything changes, and that nothing has been done in the last 10-15 years, that's your right to think so. I do agree there will never be a time everybody drives an EV.

 

[lurch70]

Norway as probably many of you know has this figured out and their electric sales are through the roof. 9 out 10 cars are not ICE ... almost 80% cars on road are hybrid or electric

Here's some more reading ...

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/08/1044330824/norway-electric-vehicle-car-sales-evs

 

[stoptothink]

Just debating that you're saying I said something I didn't - and you're doing it again. Nobody is saying "everybody" is or will ever drive an EV. The thread is about the "Future Technology". I have an old V12 Jaguar that I plan on driving until I run out of gas myself. There people who don't even own a car. If you think it will be 2050 until anything changes, and that nothing has been done in the last 10-15 years, that's your right to think so. I do agree there will never be a time everybody drives an EV.

We're talking right past each other. Sounds like we agree that it will be a long time before THE MAJORITY of cars on the road will be EV.

 

[Woodrich]

I have been driving a Hybrid since 2000, yes, this was the first MY Hybrid vehicles were available in the USA. I drove a Prius back in '98 while in Japan and loved it...

That said, any and all tech changes, evolves and eventually goes obsolete.

I've always regarded Hybrid vehicles as a bridge technology without prejudice concerning what it will develop into. The jury's still out but it seems that advancements in energy storage is allowing full EV's - eventually. IMHO the battery tech while better is not really there for prime-time at an AFFORDABLE* price point for mass consumption. The Maverick is the pickup truck that I've been waiting 20 years for - affordable, full feature, very driveable in all climates and gets the 40+ MPG.

* ....I hope Ford doesn't jack the price significantly for MY 2023...

My first Hybrid had a lifetime MPG of 70.x MPG when I traded it in after 13 years.

 

[atomguy245]

And won't be unless we build Nuclear power, renewables won't cut it.

4x Tesla chargers require the same power output as 500 homes use in a day. It does not scale with ANY renewable energy that isn't nuclear fission.

The max amount of cars that can be charged from those 4 chargers is 200-250 cars to full charge from near depletion.

People who think EV's scale at any junction have no clue how much power those chargers use.


350kW for 4 chargers. That same energy use brings over a tanker of oil which then powers 10,000 cars for a month.

Energy DENSITY is the name of the game and full EV doesn't cut it.

Yup. Just to fill up a Chevy Bolt once takes more energy than my whole house does in 2 days.

 

[Shay]

What I find interesting is, Acura has not embraced hybrid, PHEV, or EV, and they say they are the Technology company. I think Acura/Honda has made a HUGE mistake with the new Integra by not making it a Hybrid or PHEV.

There's a reason why Acura is mostly irrelevant in the market today. That they're still even an alive brand is shocking to me.

 

[Bushpilot]

I would like to see a Hybrid than does all the driving on it's electric motor(s) but with a hyper-efficient fuel powered generator to charge the batteries when needed. That way mileage would be unlimited.
This current electric vehicle range and then needing a charge harkens back to the days before the building of the major highways when travelers would drive a few hundred miles and then call it a night. That's not me. If I'm am going on a trip to a specific destination I'm hammer down and rolling up the miles. 1000 a day is not uncommon and I've done much more than that at times.

Chevy Volt.

 

[Eagle11]

There's a reason why Acura is mostly irrelevant in the market today. That they're still even an alive brand is shocking to me.

I agree just blows my
Mind that Honda doesn’t do anything

 

[TopGunGoose]

I posted a while back on this forum (another thread) about the Wireless Charging Technology that will change the game to charge EVs.. I have followed this technology since I first saw it in Vegas at the CES show in 2005. There has been quite a few companies working on this around the globe. The technology has evolved from straight "Induction" to "Magnetic Resonance" which was another of Nikola Tesla's inventions. Will they be able to charge EV's while driving down the road? . . . I think so.

I think the leaders in this technology are close to getting it to market. I will provide the links to the two companies I believe are leading the way so you can follow them as well - if you wish. Over 80% of people aren't willing to 'Plug in" because let's face it, we're lazy. That's why we have MIT!

https://spectrum.ieee.org/witricity-leverages-magnetic-resonance-for-flexible-wireless-charging

https://www.magment.co/magment-magpad/

They can't even build JUST roads in America that last and aren't pot hole and cracked messes, you think there will be charging tech in it for 20% or less of vehicles on the road in this lifetime?

Can I have what you are smoking?

Norway as probably many of you know has this figured out and their electric sales are through the roof. 9 out 10 cars are not ICE ... almost 80% cars on road are hybrid or electric

Here's some more reading ...

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/08/1044330824/norway-electric-vehicle-car-sales-evs

And look how big Norway is compared to the US in TRUE SIZE.


https://thetruesize.com/#?borders=1...jgzNw.MTIyMjI2MTM)Mw~!US-TX*MA.MTgwMDAwMDA)MA

Cool you have electrified LESS THAN HALF of Texas basically, what about the other 49 states?

 

[Watchman]

They can't even build JUST roads in America that last and aren't pot hole and cracked messes, you think there will be charging tech in it for 20% or less of vehicles on the road in this lifetime?

"Can I have what you are smoking?"



"And look how big Norway is compared to the US in TRUE SIZE."


https://thetruesize.com/#?borders=1...jgzNw.MTIyMjI2MTM)Mw~!US-TX*MA.MTgwMDAwMDA)MA

Cool you have electrified LESS THAN HALF of Texas basically, what about the other 49 states?

Sure, just walk outside and take a deep breath . . . it's free! And like I said before is I am just the messenger.

It's not about "True Size", it's about density. You and the guy from Utah somehow think these companies are investing in technology to profit from the EV trend (that governments are forcing on us) in areas with no population density. When you live in states with 3.9 and 3.2 million people in the entire state then yeah, you may never see Magment's technology reach you. No different than why gas stations are at heavily traveled intersections and not at the end of your street. No different than where you can and can't get 5G. Might be fair to actually read up on the concept before applying your wide brush to the idea. It's not going to be everywhere, on every road, in every lane or the entire lane - and certainly not where fewer vehicles travel. Magment is a special concrete that cost about the same as regular concrete. Powering it is another story but the application to existing roads is fairly simple.

Really sorry about your potholes, (that have nothing to do with this charging technology). When you or anybody else can figure out how to stop water from freezing you're just going to have to deal with it.

This link will give those that understand the concept where it most likely will be available first.
https://www.governing.com/archive/population-density-land-area-cities-map.html

 

[stoptothink]

Sure, just walk outside and take a deep breath . . . it's free! And like I said before is I am just the messenger.

It's not about "True Size", it's about density. You and the guy from Utah somehow think these companies are investing in technology to profit from the EV trend (that governments are forcing on us) in areas with no population density. When you live in states with 3.9 and 3.2 million people in the entire state then yeah, you may never see Magment's technology reach you. No different than why gas stations are at heavily traveled intersections and not at the end of your street. No different than where you can and can't get 5G. Might be fair to actually read up on the concept before applying your wide brush to the idea. It's not going to be everywhere, on every road, in every lane or the entire lane - and certainly not where fewer vehicles travel. Magment is a special concrete that cost about the same as regular concrete. Powering it is another story but the application to existing roads is fairly simple.

Really sorry about your potholes, (that have nothing to do with this charging technology). When you or anybody else can figure out how to stop water from freezing you're just going to have to deal with it.

This link will give those that understand the concept where it most likely will be available first.
https://www.governing.com/archive/population-density-land-area-cities-map.html

You're making A LOT of assumptions...

"You and the guy from Utah somehow think these companies are investing in technology to profit from the EV trend (that governments are forcing on us) in areas with no population density."

Show us where anybody said that, or even alluded to it?

I'm not going to speak for others, like you seem to have a habit of in this thread, but the only thing I am saying is that I don't believe any of the tech you are discussing is really relevant to the majority of the population within the next 20yrs. I'm sure it will be implemented in small doses all over the place, but that doesn't change the equation for a lot (the majority) of drivers in this country. So in LA and NYC - yup - but I doubt it's relevant to me in the SLC suburbs (and this is hardly a rural area) and huge chunks of the rest of the country. EVs will progressively become more prevalent, but IMO hybrids aren't irrelevant in this country (even in California) in the next two decades. Anything else you say, is you putting words in my mouth.

 

[Randy H.]

Living in Nevada there are not enough places to charge yet. Still today when you head South out of Tonopah there is a sign at the city limit : "Next gas 163 miles"

Former Carson City resident here.. imgine driving an all electric across the "Lonliest Road in America" US 50 Nevada. 300 miles of almost nothing...

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