Hybrid Tech's future

[djarms12]

I posted a while back on this forum (another thread) about the Wireless Charging Technology that will change the game to charge EVs.. I have followed this technology since I first saw it in Vegas at the CES show in 2005. There has been quite a few companies working on this around the globe. The technology has evolved from straight "Induction" to "Magnetic Resonance" which was another of Nikola Tesla's inventions. Will they be able to charge EV's while driving down the road? . . . I think so.

I think the leaders in this technology are close to getting it to market. I will provide the links to the two companies I believe are leading the way so you can follow them as well - if you wish. Over 80% of people aren't willing to 'Plug in" because let's face it, we're lazy. That's why we have MIT!

https://spectrum.ieee.org/witricity-leverages-magnetic-resonance-for-flexible-wireless-charging

https://www.magment.co/magment-magpad/

You know I was watching CNBC one morning about a year ago and a group was talking about the innovation of EV's. One of the members of the group said the next phase in EV cars was electrifying the roads so you would charge the car when driving down the highway. The group laughed as I think they doubted the guy. He was serious about his comment.

Then I read an article in February 2022 from Motor Biscuit that an "electric mile" outside of Detroit MI is being built with the technology you outlined in your comments. It will be used for research beginning in 2023 for just this purpose.

Thank you for the suggested reading material!

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[James L. Harrison]

I agree about plug-in hybrids. If they offered Maverick version that's the way I would go. I'm out on EVs until the charging time and charging infrastructure improves.

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[Kookie70]

I think watchman nail it, all of these wired stations are just temporary until they perfect wireless charging thru roadways or other means.

 

[matt2636]

until there is some kind of break through in battery tech I dont see full electric as a great option. look at how much juice those tesla supercharge stations pull to charge in 30 minutes to get the battery to a 70%ish charge. its equivalent or more power you use to power your house in a day. currently, our grid cant handle that and we will need extremely large battery banks if we went full solar and wind, which is the direction we are heading. hybrid is the best option and will be for a while.

 

[stoptothink]

I think watchman nail it, all of these wired stations are just temporary until they perfect wireless charging thru roadways or other means.

Sure, and you expect that to happen when...2050? EV technology is in a crazy era of development, but really hasn't progressed much in the past decade. I mean Musk first announced FSD in late 2015, saying it would be fully operational in 2-3yrs...7yrs later and we are hardly closer to that reality. Battery technology also has barely progressed in a dozen years. Now imagine getting the government involved with things like roads. It's cool to think about, but I'm 40 and I'm not counting on this in my lifetime.

 

[Watchman]

Sure, and you expect that to happen when...2050? EV technology is in a crazy era of development, but really hasn't progressed much in the past decade. I mean Musk first announced FSD in late 2015, saying it would be fully operational in 2-3yrs...7yrs later and we are hardly closer to that reality. Battery technology also has barely progressed in a dozen years. Now imagine getting the government involved with things like roads. It's cool to think about, but I'm 40 and I'm not counting on this in my lifetime.

Well, more like "2025" for pad charging seeing it already exist in use. As for electrifying roads, yeah it would be a while but certainly before "2050". There are many existing test roads in Europe and the one here (mentioned previously) is a joint venture between Magment and a University that is I believe is in Indiana. There's so much demand and a lot of money thrown at this technology.




Here's another video that covers pretty much everything . . . It's long!

 

[OleFordGuy]

I definitely don't see all this Wireless and blanketing the entire US with charging stations happening anytime soon. They may get some major cities and populated areas but anything remotely closed to rural you can forget it. Sure some of the tech might already be available, but anybody that puts faith in our government to implement anything correctly and efficiently doesn't have their head screwed on straight. Government implementation of anything is a cluster, bureaucratic nightmare, moving at snails pace, in fighting and lots of corruption. Think of all the Federal, State, Municipal officials with their under the table disguised hands out for a piece of the pie.

 

[djw479]

Heck we can't even maintain the roads (and especially bridges) in many areas of the country. Lets get our current infrastructure updated before we lay electric grids in the roads!

That said, I'm sure there will be some short stretches of wireless charging built soon so it can be hyped that the future is now.

 

[stoptothink]

Well, more like "2025" for pad charging seeing it already exist in use. As for electrifying roads, yeah it would be a while but certainly before "2050". There are many existing test roads in Europe and the one here (mentioned previously) is a joint venture between Magment and a University that is I believe is in Indiana. There's so much demand and a lot of money thrown at this technology.




Here's another video that covers pretty much everything . . . It's long!

I'd bet you a ton of money that none of this is part of regular U.S. road infrastructure in the next 20yrs. A stretch of road here and there in densely populated metro areas, sure.

 

[Eagle11]

I think your supposition that not many automakers have embraced hybrids is a little off.

Name one car brand that has not offered or is currently offering a hybrid vehicle?

Answer, every manufacturer out there has offered or is currently offering hybrid vehicles.

Most brands are talking about going 100% electric, there will always be a market for vehicles that don't depend 100% on electricity.

What I find interesting is, Acura has not embraced hybrid, PHEV, or EV, and they say they are the Technology company. I think Acura/Honda has made a HUGE mistake with the new Integra by not making it a Hybrid or PHEV.

 

[DeanR]

It's negative 12 here today plus 20-25 mph wind and I have to go do an inspection that is 212 miles away. That's 414 miles round trip. And I 100% doubt there is a charging station anywhere along the route. Would I pick the Lightning that gets (at best under optimum conditions) 300 miles with extended range or pick the hybrid Maverick that I know I will pass several gas stations along the way? For what I do the Lightning is utterly useless, for me.

 

[stoptothink]

It's negative 12 here today plus 20-25 mph wind and I have to go do an inspection that is 212 miles away. That's 414 miles round trip. And I 100% doubt there is a charging station anywhere along the route. Would I pick the Lightning that gets (at best under optimum conditions) 300 miles with extended range or pick the hybrid Maverick that I know I will pass several gas stations along the way? For what I do the Lightning is utterly useless, for me.

Keep in mind, the range of EVs is generally ~20% less in cold weather and charging times are longer. On the other hand, long-term exposure to high temperatures will speed up the rate of battery degradation.

There are A TON of questions to answer before EVs are a viable option for the majority of drivers; fortunately we are among the minority where they make sense (and I likely never buy another ICE vehicle).

 

[Watchman]

I'd bet you a ton of money that none of this is part of regular U.S. road infrastructure in the next 20yrs. A stretch of road here and there in densely populated metro areas, sure.

Never said it would be everywhere? Don't think anyone is saying that but you. It'll be in the populous areas as is everything else like 5G. My granddaughter can't even get Cable or WiFi.

As for pad charging, that will be a consumer 'option' or you'll just get the standard charger with the stupid wire & plug. If you can afford a Tesla then the WiTricity system is not really a cost factor. I already mentioned I'm a Hybrid guy, and why. I just provided the folks here with technology most probably didn't know about. I'm going to keep following it and see where it goes.

 

[stoptothink]

Never said it would be everywhere? Don't think anyone is saying that but you. It'll be in the populous areas as is everything else like 5G. My granddaughter can't even get Cable or WiFi.

As for pad charging, that will be a consumer 'option' or you'll just get the standard charger with the stupid wire & plug. If you can afford a Tesla then the WiTricity system is not really a cost factor. I already mentioned I'm a Hybrid guy, and why. I just provided the folks here with technology most probably didn't know about. I'm going to keep following it and see where it goes.

Then I'm not sure what you are debating. Point being, a few stretches of highway or pad chargers here and there doesn't really change the equation for the average driver. There are still huge infrastructure barriers to figure out before everybody is driving EVs and infrastructure changes are boulders, not pebbles. I personally see little evidence that it changes (as a whole) for another 20+ years.

 

[Chris_G]

Then I'm not sure what you are debating. Point being, a few stretches of highway or pad chargers here and there doesn't really change the equation for the average driver. There are still huge infrastructure barriers to figure out before everybody is driving EVs and infrastructure changes are boulders, not pebbles. I personally see little evidence that it changes (as a whole) for another 20+ years.

That's being optimistic.

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