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Lets discuss. Thoughts, issues, transmission?

I was initially only looking at the geared transmission, but with a 80 mile commute round trip - and the fact that it can tow 2k pounds, I am officially interested.
 

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My biggest question is why/how Ford flipped the script for this vehicle? They broke the mold by charging extra for a gas engine.

Charging more for AWD is nothing new, but paying an extra $1085 for a gas engine is wild to me. Granted, it is a turbo gas engine, but still.

Understand, this pickup looks like it should give me equal mpg to my 2013 honda insight. Being able to upgrade to a roomier cabin, AND add a short truck bed and 3/4 ton pay load, while getting great MPG is still kinda blowing my mind...almost 8 hours on from finding out the base trim XL is a hybrid.
 

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My biggest question is why/how Ford flipped the script for this vehicle? They broke the mold by charging extra for a gas engine.

Charging more for AWD is nothing new, but paying an extra $1085 for a gas engine is wild to me. Granted, it is a turbo gas engine, but still.

Understand, this pickup looks like it should give me equal mpg to my 2013 honda insight. Being able to upgrade to a roomier cabin, AND add a short truck bed and 3/4 ton pay load, while getting great MPG is still kinda blowing my mind...almost 8 hours on from finding out the base trim XL is a hybrid.
Yeah for me I have basically decided to wait for a hybrid AWD option that has higher towing capabilities. The 2000 lb limit is a massive letdown for me. I am also holding out hopes for Sync 4 as well in the future. I am willing to settle for 3 if I can get the AWD Hybrid option with better towing specs.
 

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I wanted AWD or 4x4 available on the base model, and base engine, whatever that turned out to be. Paying 3300 to upgrade both is a lot on a 20k truck. And I think Ford knows it, an article already stated Ford said AWD hybrid will be available in the future if there's demand for it, and how could there not be? I think it was just easier to start with two engines and two drive options for them.
 

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I'm in if they offer the hybrid with AWD. Currently have a Fusion Energi (that has been great) but am moving to a mountain location and AWD is what I need with a bed out back.
 

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Lets discuss. Thoughts, issues, transmission?

I was initially only looking at the geared transmission, but with a 80 mile commute round trip - and the fact that it can tow 2k pounds, I am officially interested.
ECVT is NOT BELT CVT.

An ECVT is simply a planetary gear set (like the vast majority of automatics) but in automatics the planet gears are either moving or not. No in between. In an ECVT the electric motors (hybrid) change the speed of the planet gears giving you various ratios.

vs a traditional CVT is just a fancy golf cart trans
 

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I'm not getting the make or break importance some people are placing on having hybrid AND AWD AND high payload/towing capacity in a budget vehicle already loaded with nice features and maximum utility. Who else offers that? Seems unrealistic. How many times a year are you going to tow anything more than a light utility trailer on a big box store run? How many horse trailers, U-hauls, camping trailers uses do you have in an average year? Subaru sells lots of symmetrical AWD economy vehicles with minimal towing capability that don't have close to the flexibility of this brand new Trucklett for lots more $ than this entry level hybrid. Are people confusing their "wants" with their actual needs for a vehicle in this price range? There's no perfect vehicle that does everything for everybody and starts at $20k :unsure:
 

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I wanted AWD or 4x4 available on the base model, and base engine, whatever that turned out to be. Paying 3300 to upgrade both is a lot on a 20k truck. And I think Ford knows it, an article already stated Ford said AWD hybrid will be available in the future if there's demand for it, and how could there not be? I think it was just easier to start with two engines and two drive options for them.
Yeah, I hope there will be an AWD Hybrid next year. I think if I had to choose, I'd go with the hybrid ONLY because most of my driving would be on pavement. The most off-roading I've done has been a dirt road shortcut I drive on my way home when the highway is packed and driving on the job site; all activities I easily did in my old Focus. I could get a nice Lariat Hybrid for under $30k.
 

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ECVT is NOT BELT CVT.

An ECVT is simply a planetary gear set (like the vast majority of automatics) but in automatics the planet gears are either moving or not. No in between. In an ECVT the electric motors (hybrid) change the speed of the planet gears giving you various ratios.

vs a traditional CVT is just a fancy golf cart trans
Thanks. I started looking into it. Seems pretty neat, and reliable. Only issues I have been able to come across are the early CMAX models 12-14ish.... Also seems that they have a lifetime trans fluid which is cool. Torn between XL 2.0l and XLT 2.5Hybrid, as 2k towing is enough for me.
 

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ECVT is NOT BELT CVT.

An ECVT is simply a planetary gear set (like the vast majority of automatics) but in automatics the planet gears are either moving or not. No in between. In an ECVT the electric motors (hybrid) change the speed of the planet gears giving you various ratios.

vs a traditional CVT is just a fancy golf cart trans
That is my only concern about the powertrain; I drive my vehicles into the ground. So is this a traditional automatic, or what? What might be the lifespan of an ECVT?
 

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That is my only concern about the powertrain; I drive my vehicles into the ground. So is this a traditional automatic, or what? What might be the lifespan of an ECVT?
Hybrid ECVT is basically a traditional automatic with the electric hybrid motor controlling the gear changes vs solenoids.
life span should be a very long time. It’s the same system you get in a Prius and those transmission have no issues.
 

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That is my only concern about the powertrain; I drive my vehicles into the ground. So is this a traditional automatic, or what? What might be the lifespan of an ECVT?
Ford is confident in the Hybrid components it looks like

Warranty and Maintenance Coverage
The Maverick offers the same standard warranty package of other new Fords, which is fairly basic and offers no complimentary scheduled maintenance program.

  • Limited warranty covers 3 years or 36,000 miles
  • Powertrain warranty covers 5 years or 60,000 miles
  • Hybrid component warranty covers 8 years or 100,000 miles
  • No complimentary scheduled maintenance
 

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What might be the lifespan of an ECVT?
I know there were some large taxi fleets using basically the same hybrid platform on Escapes. I don't recall the source but remember reading that many of the hybrid taxis had very high mileage, like 200-300K miles+.
 

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Hybrid ECVT is basically a traditional automatic with the electric hybrid motor controlling the gear changes vs solenoids.
life span should be a very long time. It’s the same system you get in a Prius and those transmission have no issues.
There tons of explanation videos on both Toyota and Ford eCVT which are very similar. One thing that is said often in the videos is how simple the transmissions are... simple usually means reliable.
 

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Thanks. I started looking into it. Seems pretty neat, and reliable. Only issues I have been able to come across are the early CMAX models 12-14ish.... Also seems that they have a lifetime trans fluid which is cool. Torn between XL 2.0l and XLT 2.5Hybrid, as 2k towing is enough for me.
Not happy about lifetime trans fluid, especially with the thought of towing
 
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