Common problems - Are you concerned?

[Old Ranchero]

The plugs are in the combustion chamber. The valves get dirty on the intake manifold side from heat/oil. I am very aware of this problem after owning several direct injected Audis. They eventually need walnut blasting. Other manufacturers including Toyota have added port injectors just to keep the valves clean.

Good info. I was just speculating last night on this. Then this morning had some coffee and did a really quick Google search on the topic. This Consumer Reports article popped on the 1st page. Here's a relevant quote and article link:

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2015/02/pros-and-cons-of-direct-injection-engines/index.htm


"Some carmakers, including BMW and Kia, have issued technical service bulletins (TSBs) to their dealers recommending that drivers use only name-brand detergent gasoline—without ethanol additives—and that they periodically add a fuel-system cleaner when they refuel. (A TSB is an alert that the automaker sends to dealers to warn about ongoing problems with individual models and how to fix them. It may allow dealers to make repairs at little or no cost to the customer as a goodwill gesture.)

Other automakers have devised an engineering fix that works while the car is operating. It involves modifying the engine to spray a small amount of fuel directly onto the valves to help keep them clean."

So, fortunately there doesn't seem to be a downside to using the additives. I live in a small town with less than 87 octane regular everywhere- so I was already planning to use a steady diet of at least mid-grade and occasional fill up with premium. Also, fortunately we have Conoco with top tier rated fuels and they also sell non-ethanol premium so I think I'm covered. It costs more for sure, but I drive very few miles daily, monthly, annual, and am retired and can afford the extra cost (consider it preventative maintenance) and can stick with my timely Chemtool routine and I'm good to go

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[CASD57]

Good info. I was just speculating last night on this. Then this morning had some coffee and did a really quick Google search on the topic. This Consumer Reports article popped on the 1st page. Here's a relevant quote and article link:

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2015/02/pros-and-cons-of-direct-injection-engines/index.htm


"Some carmakers, including BMW and Kia, have issued technical service bulletins (TSBs) to their dealers recommending that drivers use only name-brand detergent gasoline—without ethanol additives—and that they periodically add a fuel-system cleaner when they refuel. (A TSB is an alert that the automaker sends to dealers to warn about ongoing problems with individual models and how to fix them. It may allow dealers to make repairs at little or no cost to the customer as a goodwill gesture.)

Other automakers have devised an engineering fix that works while the car is operating. It involves modifying the engine to spray a small amount of fuel directly onto the valves to help keep them clean."

So, fortunately there doesn't seem to be a downside to using the additives. I live in a small town with less than 87 octane regular everywhere- so I was already planning to use a steady diet of at least mid-grade and occasional fill up with premium. Also, fortunately we have Conoco with top tier rated fuels and they also sell non-ethanol premium so I think I'm covered. It costs more for sure, but I drive very few miles daily, monthly, annual, and am retired and can afford the extra cost (consider it preventative maintenance) and can stick with my timely Chemtool routine and I'm good to go

I’ll probably move too Chevron or similar gas,

 

[jimmy fitzwell]

Uh yea, that is "ludicrous"... would you mind sharing that information which made such a claim?

It was one of the early vids or articles that came out in early June. That's all I remember.

 

[clippedwings]

I have been unable to find detailed specs on the 2.0. I assume it does NOT have dual injection ports. Can anyone confirm this?

 

[JamesHenry]

make your own…
Ingredients: chemical, cas, % by weight
Ethylbenzene 100-41-4 10-15%
Petroleum Distillates 64742-47-8 30-40%
n-Propanol 71-23-8 5-10%
Xylene (mixed isomers) 1330-20-7 40-50%

I feel like you just rattled off enough chemicals at once to be put on a list

 

[shark978]

Quote I found on reddit

"Here's the deal. Mechanics everywhere are seeing this buildup with direct injected engines yet have absolutely failed to articulate how it's an issue (anecdotal cases of plugged intakes not withstanding). If this were a problem needing fixed it would have come up long ago on any engine running compression ignition or gaseous fuel. Diesels, natural gas, and LP gas engines do not have liquid fuel being aspirated into the intake to clean the valves."

 

[TC in MN]

The three negative issues with the 2.0L (cracked exhaust, pvc failure and carbon buildup) are the the price of this engine (note, I found out my extended warranty excludes these). Tow package addresses keeping temps down, using 91 octane will help engine running cleaner and changing oil every 3k for maximum lubrication. If towing, go soft on the gas peddle versus seeking performance…going with xlt, lux, pilot and tow

 

[oljackfrost]

I am concerned. A little, as you mentioned for towing needs etc. Both engines seem to have a few quirks that need ironing out imo. The internal wet timing BELT on the 1.5l, and this on the 2.0l. I have read many good things about the 2.0 though so I am less worried about that one. This seems like an easy fix though - use the conventional cylinder head from the euro model?

The 1.5 with the wet timing belt is not in the Maverick.

 

[altomav]

The Tow Package will help out with excessive heat even if you're not towing.

High Capacity Radiator
Transmission Oil Cooler
Upgraded Cooling fan

 

[TC in MN]

I'm not concerned. When researching the 2.0L in 2016, I brought these issues to the local Ford mechanic whom gave the advice of 3K oil changes, 91 fuel and go light on the gas when towing. Also, the price difference with other mfgs I was looking out, along with not taking the extended warranty bait, will more than pay for the repairs, if needed.

 

[austinzone]

I am always very concerned with Ford's reliability and also its ability to diagnose engineering faults.

Its important to pop this bubble early.

this is from the Mustang6g forum (for the 2015+ mustangs) and its a 250 page thread about driveline vibration: https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/vibration-between-50-70-mph.15990/page-251

so why bring this up? well its a really good read to help set your expectations when dealing with Ford on design issues.

for instance - in this thread - you will learn that Ford engineers dont understand the concept of "stacked tolerances" which lead to, for several years, a pretty unsolvable problem for many mustang owners. dealers passing the buck, people having the issue fixed and returning etc.

also take the recent Ecoboost coolant fiasco. issues that you rarely see japanese manufactuers having (with the exception of Hondas cold start/oil issue).

 

[MLowe05]

You guys know every car forum has these threads, right? They all say the same thing, including how the manufacturer is incompetent on how to design/engineer/repair/diagnose/etc.

Don't worry so much. It is very unlikely you experience any significant issues.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

make your own…
Ingredients: chemical, cas, % by weight
Ethylbenzene 100-41-4 10-15%
Petroleum Distillates 64742-47-8 30-40%
n-Propanol 71-23-8 5-10%
Xylene (mixed isomers) 1330-20-7 40-50%

I was just doing some math... and wondered. Don't all those % figures add up to more than 100%? I thought so.
What is the answer, really?
tom

Wait! His secret is IF you put in ALL the items at HIS recommended MAX percentages HIS formula is 15% better!

 

[JKinPA]

I am always very concerned with Ford's reliability and also its ability to diagnose engineering faults.

Its important to pop this bubble early.

this is from the Mustang6g forum (for the 2015+ mustangs) and its a 250 page thread about driveline vibration: https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/vibration-between-50-70-mph.15990/page-251

so why bring this up? well its a really good read to help set your expectations when dealing with Ford on design issues.

for instance - in this thread - you will learn that Ford engineers dont understand the concept of "stacked tolerances" which lead to, for several years, a pretty unsolvable problem for many mustang owners. dealers passing the buck, people having the issue fixed and returning etc.

also take the recent Ecoboost coolant fiasco. issues that you rarely see japanese manufactuers having (with the exception of Hondas cold start/oil issue).

Don’t buy a Ford if you feel that strongly. Buy a Japanese alternative. It’s all about choices and you do you…me, I am looking forward to my Maverick

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