Reliability 2.0 vs 2.5

[vap0rtranz]

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[Wire4money]

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[INFJBax]

@INFJBax whydoes the idea that 80k preorders will likely be completed in4 months make you angry?

Angry? 80k pre-orders? I know they have a hundred thousand reservations and if they follow suit with other reservations that means they should have around 60,000 orders. But given my order and deposit was in the first 20k, I simply stated that I thought I would have a build date by now. It was stated, fall delivery, now I'll be lucky to have a fall build date according to what y'all have posted here. Angry, not at all simply disappointed.

 

[KGillies]

Hi there, 21 year old first time new car buyer here. I initially ordered a build with the Ecoboost because I was worried about reliability of the eCVT vs the Auto, as well as the long term reliability of the Hybrid systems vs the Ecoboost. Does anyone with experience of these systems have any input on the long term reliability of each engine option? I just want to be able to enjoy it for years. Not towing anything and no need for AWD so it’s strictly about long term reliability for me.

Hands down 2.5 hybrid. Without the turbo, it will run cooler and easier, and last a lot longer. Absolutely no issue with hybrid - it's just a big battery that relieves the engine of some of the pointless work.

 

[oljackfrost]

Angry? 80k pre-orders? I know they have a hundred thousand reservations and if they follow suit with other reservations that means they should have around 60,000 orders. But given my order and deposit was in the first 20k, I simply stated that I thought I would have a build date by now. It was stated, fall delivery, now I'll be lucky to have a fall build date according to what y'all have posted here. Angry, not at all simply disappointed.

Ford always said “coming in the Fall” not “delivery in the Fall”.

 

[SFB]

Hi there, 21 year old first time new car buyer here. I initially ordered a build with the Ecoboost because I was worried about reliability of the eCVT vs the Auto, as well as the long term reliability of the Hybrid systems vs the Ecoboost. Does anyone with experience of these systems have any input on the long term reliability of each engine option? I just want to be able to enjoy it for years. Not towing anything and no need for AWD so it’s strictly about long term reliability for me.

This video explains in detail about the Toyota and Ford eCVT tranny. They are both identical and were designed by an independent company

 

[jmav]

For you and your needs id say that both will be just as reliable. I personallyl chose the ecoboost as well given my hesitation on cvt's and while I hold steadfast to that opinion I also need to tow more for a move across country in a year to two years and 2k pounds wont cut it. So my needs are different. For you, I believe you would equally be okay with either as long as you dont romp on it.

Its very hard to say with a new vehicle what its reliability will be. Even a system made from known components can have issues because of poor implementation. Obviously we all hope that the implementation is good on the Maverick, but really nobody knows except Ford. Even Ford might not really know for sure.

A lot of advocates for the reliability of each subsystem used in the Maverick having a long standing track record do not understand the importance of the subsystem implementation, which frequently drives the overall reliability. Having good subsystems does help though in a new product launch.

The eCVT used in the maverick is the HF45+, the escape hybrid uses the HF45. As far as I have read the only major difference between these transmissions is the use of an in house, Ford designed electric drive motor, using square windings instead of the round copper windings you normally see in electric motors. The HF45 is basically a slightly modified HF35, which has a long standing good reputation.

Its a solid system that is remarkable in its simplicity.


TLDR: we hope its good, but wont know until its had a few years on the road.

I think people need to fully understand that this is not a typically CVT and eliminates a lot of the moving parts of the typical CVT. Honestly based on what I see the CVT could easily be more reliable than the trans offered in the ECO boost.

 

[bill67]

Both vehicles as a whole are listed as equally unreliable per consumer reports April 2021 Automotive Special Edition release, both receiving a "worst predicated reliability" rating for both the ecoboost and 2.5H on the Ford Escape, which is relevant as the Maverick is based on the Ford Escape chassis and uses essentially the same powertrains.

Between the two, the hybrid will be the more reliable option, and note that this isn't a typical CVT like you'd see in a Nissan that had so many issues, this is an eCVT with planetary gears that shares nothing in common with a belt driven CVT other than its ability to continuously vary the transmission ratio. Its like the eCVT used in the Toyota Prius, rated the most reliable vehicle you can buy. The transmission on the ecoboost is a modified version of the new GM 9-speed developed in a joint venture with Ford. Ford promised to give GM its 10-speed RWD transmission in exchange for GM giving Ford getting GM's 9-speed FWD transmission when they both finished development. GM was super happy with the Ford developed 10-speed and gave it a thumbs up. By contrast, Ford was so displeased with the initial GM 9-speed testing that in spite of getting it for free as part of their deal, they deemed it inferior to existing Ford FWD transmissions and didn't use it. Later Ford would remove one of the gears from the GM 9-speed deeming it pointless, and making a few other modifications to it to make it fit for service. We don't know for sure if Ford was able to satisfactorily fix what they initially thought was a lackluster transmission. Here is a impartial third party mechanical review of a brand new 2020 Ford Escape which already had a small leak:


Engine wise, the 2.5H is a low stressed atkinson cycle naturally aspirated simple engine, and as such while it doesn't make a ton of power, it should last forever with minimal maintenance. The Ecoboost is a turbocharged direct injection engine, that means that carbon fouling is inevitable, and turbocharged vehicles as a rule are harder on plugs and oil.

tl;dr version: Poor reliability of the Escape and Bronco Sport and numerous recalls means that an extended warranty (perhaps third party, not necessarily from Ford) may be a good idea, but between the two powertrain wise the hybrid should be the lower maintenance more reliable option.

Consumer reports has an amazing ability to see into the future. It would be fun to go through say 20 years of archives and see how close they got on say cars reliability predictions as well as TCO

I have 20 years worth of archives or more. I buy everything from there recommendations.They mail out every year asking about our likes and dislikes about our cars.Thats where they get some of there info from.

 

[Jville]

I know old thread, but as an previous owner of two 2.0s and the current owner of the 2.5 Hybrid, thought I would weigh in (about 290 lbs).
No reliability issues on all to this date. I actually prefer the Hybrid for the extreme smoothness of the eCVT and bonus fuel economy. As far as performance, both seen equal in day to day driving. Only upon heavy throttle application does the ecoboost shine. Believe 0-60 is about a second apart. Also imo the Hybrid seems more effortless and relaxed at higher highway speeds. The Hybrid sweetspot is around 83mph.
Long term reliability is probably a tossup, but am concerned about the 2.0 direct injection carbon issue.
I did end up selling the 2.0 ecoboosts at a very handsome profit and have turned down a 6k profit on the Hybrid. I have nothing in the pipeline now and there is just nothing else out there to buy. But I will order another Hybrid and then sell one and keep the other. The Maverick is still a cult desirability.

 

[GreenLady]

I know old thread, but as an previous owner of two 2.0s and the current owner of the 2.5 Hybrid, thought I would weigh in (about 290 lbs).
No reliability issues on all to this date. I actually prefer the Hybrid for the extreme smoothness of the eCVT and bonus fuel economy. As far as performance, both seen equal in day to day driving. Only upon heavy throttle application does the ecoboost shine. Believe 0-60 is about a second apart. Also imo the Hybrid seems more effortless and relaxed at higher highway speeds. The Hybrid sweetspot is around 83mph.
Long term reliability is probably a tossup, but am concerned about the 2.0 direct injection carbon issue.
I did end up selling the 2.0 ecoboosts at a very handsome profit and have turned down a 6k profit on the Hybrid. I have nothing in the pipeline now and there is just nothing else out there to buy. But I will order another Hybrid and then sell one and keep the other. The Maverick is still a cult desirability.

I’ll be selling my FE hybrid in about a month when I take delivery of my 23 so if you know someone looking I’m only 40 miles south.

 

[Timothyd]

I know old thread, but as an previous owner of two 2.0s and the current owner of the 2.5 Hybrid, thought I would weigh in (about 290 lbs).
No reliability issues on all to this date. I actually prefer the Hybrid for the extreme smoothness of the eCVT and bonus fuel economy. As far as performance, both seen equal in day to day driving. Only upon heavy throttle application does the ecoboost shine. Believe 0-60 is about a second apart. Also imo the Hybrid seems more effortless and relaxed at higher highway speeds. The Hybrid sweetspot is around 83mph.
Long term reliability is probably a tossup, but am concerned about the 2.0 direct injection carbon issue.
I did end up selling the 2.0 ecoboosts at a very handsome profit and have turned down a 6k profit on the Hybrid. I have nothing in the pipeline now and there is just nothing else out there to buy. But I will order another Hybrid and then sell one and keep the other. The Maverick is still a cult desirability.

I also was surprised as to how effortless and smooth the 2.5 is at speed. I have to check the speedo frequently because there's a tendency to creep faster.

 

[Jville]

I’ll be selling my FE hybrid in about a month when I take delivery of my 23 so if you know someone looking I’m only 40 miles south.

Bozard Ford bought my base 23 XL 2.0 for 29k. 3200 profit.
West Texas Auto, Charley Bryant, bought my 22 XL awd, 4k tow 2.0 for 32500 . 8k profit. 816 977 5785. Will pick up. Charley also offered to buy my current 23 XLT Hybrid, tow only option, for 33k. 6k profit. But turned down till I can order and take delivery of my next Maverick.
Don't want to go Maverick-less in between.

 

[GreenLady]

Bozard Ford bought my base 23 XL 2.0 for 29k. 3200 profit.
West Texas Auto, Charley Bryant, bought my 22 XL awd, 4k tow 2.0 for 32500 . 8k profit. 816 977 5785. Will pick up. Charley also offered to buy my current 23 XLT Hybrid, tow only option, for 33k. 6k profit. But turned down till I can order and take delivery of my next Maverick.
Don't want to go Maverick-less in between.

Thank you! Bozard offered me $4000 less than what I paid for it. I’m leaning towards a trade in since other dealer will match my Carmax offer and it will reduce the sales tax. It was basically what I paid for it and I have 26K miles on my 22.

 

[TheWizziard]

Hi there, 21 year old first time new car buyer here. I initially ordered a build with the Ecoboost because I was worried about reliability of the eCVT vs the Auto, as well as the long term reliability of the Hybrid systems vs the Ecoboost. Does anyone with experience of these systems have any input on the long term reliability of each engine option? I just want to be able to enjoy it for years. Not towing anything and no need for AWD so it’s strictly about long term reliability for me.

Both the EcoBoost and Hybrid are proven power plants.
You should not go wrong with either.
Just a note: the eCVT is much simpler with less moving parts than the auto transmission.

 

[Gonzo chris]

Hi there, 21 year old first time new car buyer here. I initially ordered a build with the Ecoboost because I was worried about reliability of the eCVT vs the Auto, as well as the long term reliability of the Hybrid systems vs the Ecoboost. Does anyone with experience of these systems have any input on the long term reliability of each engine option? I just want to be able to enjoy it for years. Not towing anything and no need for AWD so it’s strictly about long term reliability for me.

My mechanic friend claims the EB fords have thin cylinder walls

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