Torn between drivetrains - 2.5 hybrid vs 2.0 powerboost

[fbov]

the Hybrid is all new

Not really, I've got almost 30K on mine. The motor differences are trivial.

The transmission is the same design Toyota and Ford have been doing since ~2000.

Not really. Ford's four generations are hard to tell apart, while Toyota only recently moved to the Ford/Aisin layout, first introduced in 2004. Toyota's first several generations were in-line, which limited them to small motors, making early Prii a true weak hybrid.

... (IF) there are going to be any setbacks with this first year truck it will be with the hybrid more than the 2.0.

Looking at Ford's track record, I'd expect the opposite.

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[cnp1234]

There are certainly some minor differences in terms of gearing and motor size, but they really are essentially the same: . Around 12:30 he talks about the first in house Ford version. The Aisin layout is actually licensed from Toyota who is Aisin's largest shareholder.

Not really, I've got almost 30K on mine. The motor differences are trivial.

Not really. Ford's four generations are hard to tell apart, while Toyota only recently moved to the Ford/Aisin layout, first introduced in 2004. Toyota's first several generations were in-line, which limited them to small motors, making early Prii a true weak hybrid.

Looking at Ford's track record, I'd expect the opposite.

Correction: apparently the layout is Aisin and Toyota allows Aisin (and others) to use it's patents. I always get confused with their relationship.

 

[KGillies]

My take is that a hybrid driven at speeds over the mid-60's will get mileage in the high 20's. Maybe the mid, as noted the drag increases with the square of the velocity(speed). I know that my Mariner can get in the high 20's, as high as 28, if I keep the speed just above 65 cruising. If I increase speed, the mileage drops quickly, very quickly.
So a hybrid will be worked hard, and so will an ecoboost, but I think the hybrid harder, more 'out of its happy speed' when driving fast. As is the case, YMMV. Should say, will vary.
Pop for the boost, and get over the '40 mpg' goal as you will never see it driving the way you do.
tom

Nah, I've had 4 Prius, all 55 mpg if I go light, not that much worse with my lead foot. Mav is light, 40 is the around town/under 55mph #. Any of the comments on this thread apply equally to the 2.0, or any engine for that matter; lead foot, you're going to go down. No matter what, the hybrid will be 25% better, at least.

 

[Pairof98s]

I ordered the 2.0 AWD FX4 in XLT Lux trim and my son-in-law ordered a base XL Hybrid. I've not had any second thoughts on wanting the more traditional driveline, and I expect the fuel mileage difference to be negligible based on driving habits. He is more around town and I am more rural and highway, so my average MPH will be much higher and sustained highway speeds. We should both get around 30-32mpg if driving my route. If driving his daily routine, he will get closer to 40 and I'd drop to mid 20s, so it really comes down to driving habits.

City slickers with lots of stop/go traffic will benefit from the Hybrid, as will delivery fleet buyers. FWD and hybrid will get 99% of folks around without too much issue, but those that expect sand, mud, boat ramps, high performance driving or towing heavier loads will definitely want to step up to the added capability of 2.0 and AWD.

I'm sure someone will challenge the ability to get 32mpg (as seen in other threads) in the FX4 based on the window sticker showing less, but I just took a 2020 Chrysler Pacifica and drove it on a 10 hour trip. Got 31.5 mpg doing 70-85mph sustained driving. Once I got in the heavier traffic and did some city driving, the average dropped into the 20s quickly. The EPA estimates on the window sticker are 19/28 with 22mpg combined. I'm way over that in any measure.

 

[KGillies]

I ordered the EB because I would like extra pep in my truck. I’d like to say I value MPGs a lot, but I like the EB engine more. I drive mostly city (stop and go, short distances to work and school drop offs) along with sporadic long highway drives (baseball tournaments), and I’m more interested in the extra giddy up I’ll get from the 2.0.

I’ve owned a hybrid Fusion before, and while the MPGs were nice, I disliked the CVT’s lack of shifts (idk why, but that always throws me off) and I wished it had more power. It was a pleasant driving experience, though.

the tranny is an important distinction that I haven't addressed much, and likely why the Mav is going to be available only with the 2.0 in AWD for towing. I'm perfectly happy with the eCVT (*note* it's way different from the old CVT), but if you're towing that's another matter. But then you gotta pay attention to the braking setup or you'll fishtail and wipe out - very ugly. If you're REALLY going to tow, get a Ranger or Frontier.

 

[KGillies]

sorry..haven't SEEN addressed... although it's likely somewhere buried on this forum, which needs way more specifi topic threads as they get all confused.

 

[STARCOMMTREY1]

I ordered the 2.0 AWD FX4 in XLT Lux trim and my son-in-law ordered a base XL Hybrid. I've not had any second thoughts on wanting the more traditional driveline, and I expect the fuel mileage difference to be negligible based on driving habits. He is more around town and I am more rural and highway, so my average MPH will be much higher and sustained highway speeds. We should both get around 30-32mpg if driving my route. If driving his daily routine, he will get closer to 40 and I'd drop to mid 20s, so it really comes down to driving habits.

City slickers with lots of stop/go traffic will benefit from the Hybrid, as will delivery fleet buyers. FWD and hybrid will get 99% of folks around without too much issue, but those that expect sand, mud, boat ramps, high performance driving or towing heavier loads will definitely want to step up to the added capability of 2.0 and AWD.

I'm sure someone will challenge the ability to get 32mpg (as seen in other threads) in the FX4 based on the window sticker showing less, but I just took a 2020 Chrysler Pacifica and drove it on a 10 hour trip. Got 31.5 mpg doing 70-85mph sustained driving. Once I got in the heavier traffic and did some city driving, the average dropped into the 20s quickly. The EPA estimates on the window sticker are 19/28 with 22mpg combined. I'm way over that in any measure.

EPA ratings can be upwards of 80mph today.

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