Looking for advice - 2025 2.5 Hybrid vs. 2.0 EcoBoost engine

[Cherokee]

actually, it's 25-30 more.

Add the massive torque at the low end from the electric, and you're way past an early 80s v8!

The words, 'massive torque' I am sorry I just cant attach that in my old feeble brain to any 4 cylinder motor. :'P

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[icegradner]

The words, 'massive torque' I am sorry I just cant attach that in my old feeble brain to any 4 cylinder motor. :'P

It's the electric motor in the hybrid that puts out the low end torque. The ICE is a dog. From a stop there is lots of power. Go up a long hill relying on the ICE alone, it's slow as a turd.

 

[23grayXLT84]

Ok You have changed my mind. From your stand point and now that I agree.
Is there still a cost benefit if someone keeps the Hybrid through a power battery replacement ?
Mechanical parts wear out and electronic stuff lasts way longer and an extra ten MPG's Is significant.
Lets say I saved what $1,000 a year in fuel cost with the Hybrid. That's $7,000 in seven years.
How much Is a new battery pack ?
I bet it's more than $5,000 ???

710-oil-614,
Show me some numbers ?
Also You said, " The complexity of a forced induction engine over the 2.5L" ok ok, I'd have to replace a turbo at some point against the batteries, and about what I read below,
2.5L at 13:1 compression, 2.0L at 10:1 compression
Would not the higher compression shorten the engine life ?
Turbo motors seem to last as long as non turbo engines or so I thought.
I've driven Tractor Trailer semi's with near a million miles on a single turbo.
Cats, Cummins, Mack's I figured a little turbo in our engines would be near bullet proof.

At 12k miles per year $3/gallon. 25 vs 35mpg will yield you about $400 savings.
Battery pack ~$2k.

...resale in 4/5 years, who knows but considering many here mention they plan to dump as soon as 3/36 warranty is done speaks volumes for people's confidence. Yes hybrid is covered by 8/100 but not every component is covered.

Hybrid is great, but looking ahead maybe the ecoboost would have been the "safer" choice. If you were to buy a 100k mile 10 year old Maverick which one would you buy ?

Not bashing hybrids , I have one.

And don't teach me how there are 10million mile hybrid escape taxis running around NY, it's irrelevant.

 

[dochawk]

The words, 'massive torque' I am sorry I just cant attach that in my old feeble brain to any 4 cylinder motor. :'P

You think that's hard for you?

I have a cadillac problem.

And I don't mean those silly GM parts bin cars their sticking extra leather to and slapping on part of a Cadillac logo.

If it doesn't have eight or more cylinders, it better have been built before '15. (and,, no, I don't mean 2015!).

So, yes, obsessed with torque monster v8s; Cadillac always had huge amounts at low rpm.

But it's tough to compete with the electric and its ability to deliver nearly full torque at 0!

Now, as to the 4 banger attached, well, that's another issue!


The hybrid maverick is for my wife; I'm ordering a powerboost f-150 for myself when the full recline seat comes along in Job 2. (Unless dodge gets its act together and starts production of the plugin ramcharger first).

The computer actually artificially limits the electric engine as the twin turbo six spins up so as not to exceed what the 10R80 transmission can handle (why the 10R100 isn't an option is beyond me!).

And I did test drive an ecoboost Maverick, too. The turbo lag was definitely noticeable; I was starting to back off on the pedal, figuring it wasn't coming, by the time it kicked in.

(I hate turbolag. The only satisfying turbo I've ever driven is the powerboost, which cheats with the electric filling in to smooth it out.)

 

[dochawk]

Ford has yet to resolved it, though they say a fix should be available sometime in 2025.

The non-Ford near universal fix, for both Maverick and F-150, seems to be to put in a non-rotorcraft AGM 12v and be done with it.

I guess a new HF55 transmission with new electric motors is classified as "largely unchanged"

That kind of upgrade (as well as the creep in numbers) tends to mean "same thing, more heavily built."

Kind of like the folks who rebuild turbo-350s and 700R4 transmissions to handle several hundred HP. Or dropping the Ford Focus 2.5 into a Miata (ford built more heavily, as well as the increased displacement, but it's otherwise the same engine. And in my future . . .)

I've driven Tractor Trailer semi's with near a million miles on a single turbo.

But in fairness, those are diesels.

0.6 kWh is only going to last for 96 seconds. T

However, if it can keep it in reserve and hold the grade with the ICE, that's a win.

I have a '93 Fleetwood, the first year after the Great Castration in which it could, well, get out of its own way (the next year got the LT-1, and could actually move!) It will hold a grade at 85, but once a semi pulls in front of you at 30, you're not getting back to it.

A short term boost would be really nice.

 

[Cherokee]

And I did test drive an ecoboost Maverick, too. The turbo lag was definitely noticeable; I was starting to back off on the pedal, figuring it wasn't coming, by the time it kicked in.

All I felt was a strong for a 4 banger pull. I watched my tach slide right on up to 3,500 rpm in several gears.
BUT !
I cannot lean on it yet. Only got 217 miles on the odometer.
I could feel my turbo start to spin up starting at 1900 rpm. It felt stronger at 2600 rpm and at 3,000 rpm it was pushing the tach up kinda fast.
but again I’m not able to lean on the thing yet.

 

[OleFordGuy]

The non-Ford near universal fix, for both Maverick and F-150, seems to be to put in a non-rotorcraft AGM 12v and be done with it.

Yes I would agree to a point, replacing the factory battery with an agm does help for the short term, imo it appears the larger culprit is the software programming for the battery charging for a true long term fix. Seems even the MY24 are experiencing the issue as well and it seems it comes with an agm battery. Hopefully ford comes through with the software update soon as they've predicted. It's been a long wait since MY22. If you go on the f150 forums and read the all powerboost (hybrid) post, they've been experiencing the same issue as the mavericks - battery and BMS issues. Ford and the dealers tell them the same excuse, drive it more.. even after the owners tell them its driven every day. Needless to say, most of them are livid after spending $75 - $90K on a new truck. Ford's software engineers need to figure something out. Just my opinion.

 

[Gray Goose]

Another consideration is how long you expect to keep the vehicle. I plan to keep mine 20+ years (if I'm still around) EB probably has better odds of making it that long. Hybrid will likely need lithium battery replacement to get that longevity.
Chemistry of batteries limit their lifespan. https://www.exro.com/industry-insights/battery-degradation-explained

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

Another consideration is how long you expect to keep the vehicle. I plan to keep mine 20+ years (if I'm still around) EB probably has better odds of making it that long. Hybrid will likely need lithium battery replacement to get that longevity.
Chemistry of batteries limit their lifespan. https://www.exro.com/industry-insights/battery-degradation-explained

I'm buying light bulbs that have a longer lifespan than me.
Reality is. If you live into your 90s. You probably won't be or shouldn't be driving.
We're all terminal no one gets out of life alive.

 

[23grayXLT84]

I'm buying light bulbs that have a longer lifespan than me.
Reality is. If you live into your 90s. You probably won't be or shouldn't be driving.
We're all terminal no one gets out of life alive.

LED bulb lifespan is a scam

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

 

[Gray Goose]

LED bulb lifespan is a scam

Absolutely!
Advertised LED lifespan is measured in perfect conditions. No voltage spikes or variations. Moderate temperatures. Bare bulbs or ventilated fixtures. etc. Very few will make the promised longevity.
Christmas lights are mostly LED now, but there are just as many in the trash as the incandescent strings.

 

[dalola]

LED bulb lifespan is a scam

So true! Most of them last less than the old incandescent bulbs...

 

[Uncle B]

I really appreciate everyone's responses. We plan on keeping which ever truck we buy for at least 10+ years. We also plan on doing quite a bit of towing and touring around the US. The thing that also has me doing circles is the fact that the 2024 EB Maverick is $6100.00 less than the cost of the 2025 EB Maverick.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

Absolutely!
Advertised LED lifespan is measured in perfect conditions. No voltage spikes or variations. Moderate temperatures. Bare bulbs or ventilated fixtures. etc. Very few will make the promised longevity.
Christmas lights are mostly LED now, but there are just as many in the trash as the incandescent strings.

I don't go around checking out people's trash cans or opening their trash bags. Therefore, I don't know how many LED Christmas lights are thrown away vs old incandescent type.
I'll bet a lot of the LED Christmas lights that are thrown away are Tangled and because they're so cheap people just rebuy them rather than taking time to untangle them.

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