More Torque Than Specified?

[PNWMaverick]

I haven't been able to find any results from a dyno, but does anyone else feel the hybrid has a bit more torque than what Ford is stating, even accounting for an eCVT power curve? It has long been common for manufacturers to understate figures. They would rather come in over what they market versus coming in under and having to explain themselves. This is entirely based off of comparing it to my other cars (80 hp - 500+ hp) and my brother's EB Maverick. Ford states it is 173 lb-ft combined but I would not be surprised to see closer to 200 lb-ft.

Thoughts?

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[The Real Maverick]

I haven't been able to find any results from a dyno, but does anyone else feel the hybrid has a bit more torque than what Ford is stating, even accounting for an eCVT power curve? It has long been common for manufacturers to understate figures. They would rather come in over what they market versus coming in under and having to explain themselves. This is entirely based off of comparing it to my other cars (80 hp - 500+ hp) and my brother's EB Maverick. Ford states it is 173 lb-ft combined but I would not be surprised to see closer to 200 lb-ft.

Thoughts?

The gas engine ONLY has peak torque of 155 lb-ft.

The truck's peak torque engine plus motor is 267 lb-ft at 20 miles per hour.

Electric torque decreases with speed and engine torque generally increases with speed (to a point).

20 mph is the peak combined.
Great little strong truck when you need it... to get a heavy trailer rolling for example.

To keep a trailer in motion rolling requires much less torque.

 

[710-oil-614]

I thought that Ford declines to publish a combined torque rating for the motor and that number is just the 2.5L Atkinson at it is only 155 ft lbs of torque unless I am mistaken.

Although not published in the image below @Shay talks about it in his video (also linked below) and I believe that the HF55's (Shay referred to it as HF45 but I believe this year is a new iteration) electric generator motor has 126hp and 173 ft lbs of torque.

So it appears they use a blended HP number but not a blended torque number.

It would be really awesome to see the dyno numbers on a hybrid.

 

[710-oil-614]

 

[dochawk]

I don't know about the maverick hybrid, but on the f-150 powerboost, the combo engine torque is artificially restrained to stay within the transmission rating!


that is, the peak torque for the motors combined is less than the sum of their torque, as it backs off! [also, when I test drove one, there was no noticeable turbo lag, with the electric apparently filling in as the turbos spun up!]

 

[The Real Maverick]

I just made this for "illustrative purposes" without an actual dyno test, based loosely on OBDII data.

Electric torque goes down with speed in a fairly linear way. (Blue)

Gas engine torque goes up in a curved way. (Green)

You can have both added together for as long as you have battery charge.

 

[Scupking]

Peak combined torque is 267 lb-ft for the hybrid. https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/tested-hybrid-maverick-peak-torque-267-lb-ft.27776/

 

[colinl]

Peak combined torque is 267 lb-ft for the hybrid. https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/tested-hybrid-maverick-peak-torque-267-lb-ft.27776/

some random BS that TheRealMaverick aka GPSMan spouted is not a test or resulting fact.

 

[710-oil-614]

some random BS that TheRealMaverick aka GPSMan spouted is not a test or resulting fact.

I would bet he probably isn't far off on the peak total when battery has a max SoC. However, that is not a sustainable figure once the battery is depleted and probably why Ford publishes the 2.5L torque figure only.

EDIT: I would be more interested in the overall torque curve of the hybrid with the blended power.

I would figure almost instantaneously you would have 173 ft lbs from the electric motor and shortly there after you would begin to get torque from ICE where it would start to crest over 200 ft lbs of combined torque.

In general I would expect a pretty broad/flat curve that stays pretty consistent through 40-50mph.

 

[The Real Maverick]

I would be more interested in the overall torque curve of the hybrid with the blended power.

I would figure almost instantaneously you would have 173 ft lbs from the electric motor and shortly there after you would begin to get torque from ICE where it would start to crest over 200 ft lbs of combined torque.

In general I would expect a pretty broad/flat curve that stays pretty consistent through 40-50mph.

Ya. Kinda like this.

 

[The Real Maverick]

There is an on board stored value for Max Torque anyone can retrieve with an OBDII reader. This is old news.

 

[Darryl]

I would bet he probably isn't far off on the peak total when battery has a max SoC. However, that is not a sustainable figure once the battery is depleted and probably why Ford publishes the 2.5L torque figure only.

EDIT: I would be more interested in the overall torque curve of the hybrid with the blended power.

I would figure almost instantaneously you would have 173 ft lbs from the electric motor and shortly there after you would begin to get torque from ICE where it would start to crest over 200 ft lbs of combined torque.

In general I would expect a pretty broad/flat curve that stays pretty consistent through 40-50mph.

I think the Maverick hybrid performs better than it's numbers would suggest because of several factors such a a relatively flat power curve AND the E-CVT being able to perfectly optimize that power by keeping the transmission ratio exactly where it needs to be.

 

[Cherokee]

I think the Maverick hybrid performs better than it's numbers would suggest because of several factors such a a relatively flat power curve AND the E-CVT being able to perfectly optimize that power by keeping the transmission ratio exactly where it needs to be.

Bingo !
The complete system works well but people keep looking at the separate outputs.
The only factor I see I don’t like is the battery will stop helping really quick without recharging time.
In a metro, not a problem.

 

[Darryl]

Bingo !
The complete system works well but people keep looking at the separate outputs.
The only factor I see I don’t like is the battery will stop helping really quick without recharging time.
In a metro, not a problem.

That's true for most hybrids that are not plug in hybris, I think. But in my 2025 the power meter varies its color to show the relative contribution of gas vs electric. asAlthough I haven't accelerated past 90 thus far, the battery still was contributing power at full acceleration until then. So under normal operation, the battery will always contribute. But I can see it depleting if towing uphill . Maybe that's why the TFL guys got such low numbers towing a heavy load. In their towing test loop. However, on another test ascending a steep incline with max load, the hybrid did tow it well and was just a bit outside of what they considered good time. But it was acceptable. I think their test was beyond what one would expect in most other situations. I imagine the gas engine was doing all the work though. But it does replenish the battery quickly once the need is passed. Having said that, even a pure ev battery seems to deplete fairly quickly under high load conditions such as towing.

 

[HeyBales]

Here's a datafile for 2024 Sport Mode since the TM seems to be used more, and the HVB is certainly attempted to be kept charged up better when not being used (not in this data though).
This was actually part of a coast down test to compare modes for regen (still working on making a post about it).
So I wasn't going flat out acceleration (pedal only at 44% max), rather I just wanted to be at 60 mph at a certain point so all the coasts were over the same ground.
Steps: Turned to Sport Mode (ICE off when stopped of course), turned on logging, foot off brake so ICE on, jammed pedal.
So 16 sec almost, so not getting max values here. I'll have to find a road to do that and log it.

Graph of torque curve for time.
So perhaps telling enough.
Oh - why not a smooth ICE curve?
Sport Mode, the simulated shifts with a real change of ICE RPM with change of Generator Motor RPM so actual "gear" change.

There's an extra graph in the attached data file if desired to see anything else.
Like HVB Amps staying strong the whole 16 sec, GM torq/RPM changes, DCDC Conv Hi Amp changes.

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