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I had a brief ride in a hybrid xlt maverick a couple weeks ago at an outdoor Ford event in Austin. It felt good but was hard to tell exactly how good from so short a ride. There was a brief acceleration section of the route though that you could tell the truck had more than adequate acceleration. I wasn’t disappointed.
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All Prii use the 2-motor TRW power split system. Can't same about Avalon hybrid, but I'd expect it's the same. Excellent videos here.


Elevation does not seem to affect the Hybrid powertrain as much as just a regular N/A engine would struggle.
This makes sense, and for EcoBoost as well. Both engine designs modify the intake charge volume, so they can compensate for reduced ambient air pressure.
 

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New to hybrid vehicles... I looked at the user manual but that didn't explain much, other than how it shuts off the gas engine while coasting and when stopped.

Does it run the electric motor until a certain MPH and then transfer to the gas engine? Do they run simultaneously over a certain range?
 

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New to hybrid vehicles... I looked at the user manual but that didn't explain much, other than how it shuts off the gas engine while coasting and when stopped.

Does it run the electric motor until a certain MPH and then transfer to the gas engine? Do they run simultaneously over a certain range?
It runs the electric motor until you need to charge the battery or you need more power. The ICE and electric motor run in parallel. Their powers are added together when needed. Mostly electric at low speeds stop and go. Mostly ICE at highway speeds. A mix in-between.
 

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New to hybrid vehicles... I looked at the user manual but that didn't explain much, other than how it shuts off the gas engine while coasting and when stopped.

Does it run the electric motor until a certain MPH and then transfer to the gas engine? Do they run simultaneously over a certain range?
If you have the time this video really breaks it all down -- each drive mode possible and the interaction between the two electric motor/generators and the combustion engine. This video is about a Rav4 Hybrid, but these Toyota eCVTs and the HF45 Ford eCVTs on the Maverick are verrrry very similar. Both of their designs come from the same 'ancestor' hybrid transaxle design by the company called Aisin (a Toyota subsidiary). Ford has made their own version since the mid-2010's I believe.

 

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Weber State videos include one that reviews the first three generations of Ford's drivetrains. Nothing on the HF45/45+ as yet.
New to hybrid vehicles... I looked at the user manual but that didn't explain much, ...
You can probably find a lot on the C-Max; there's nothing on the Escape Hybrid. HF45 operation is substantially identical to the HF35. There are 4 modes:
- series hybrid: ICE generates power for the traction motor, which moves the car.
- parallel hybrid: both ICE and traction motor power the wheels. Power from ICE or HVB.
- electric vehicle: ICE is stopped and HVB provides current to the traction motor.
- negative split mode: generator slows the ICE when the HVB is full.

In normal driving, you'll switch among the modes seamlessly. If you floor it from a stop...
- EV gets you going, but it's limited by the AC/DC/AC converter current capacity.
- series comes on as soon as the ICE gets up to speed, generating electricity.
- parallel takes over once the traction motor torque starts to fall, until you lift.

Cruising, I alternate between EV and parallel mode, using ICE uphill and when accelerating, and doing so in a manner that allows a lot of current generation to charge the HVB. AT the crest, a quick throttle drop gets me into EV mode for the downhill.
 

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If you have the time this video really breaks it all down -- each drive mode possible and the interaction between the two electric motor/generators and the combustion engine. This video is about a Rav4 Hybrid, but these Toyota eCVTs and the HF45 Ford eCVTs on the Maverick are verrrry very similar. Both of their designs come from the same 'ancestor' hybrid transaxle design by the company called Aisin (a Toyota subsidiary). Ford has made their own version since the mid-2010's I believe.

I only have a general understanding of the car engines (much more comfortable with old carburetor style engines) and I found this video was super helpful in understanding how the hybrid system works even if I don't understand all the nuances of the mechanics. Thank you!

I am wondering how the traction and stability control modes interact with the eCVT? In addition, I've been wondering how vehicle modifications like changing tires size, adding lifts and such will effect the system? Does the computer control have some adaptive learning in it's programing? Or is it all controlled with mechanical feedback?

Not sure my questions even make sense but thought it would be good information to know before changing out the stock tires.
 

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Any thoughts on the top speed? I'm thinking about the highway speeds in TX where the posted is 80 and anyone not doing triple digits gets run over.
 

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I only have a general understanding of the car engines (much more comfortable with old carburetor style engines) and I found this video was super helpful in understanding how the hybrid system works even if I don't understand all the nuances of the mechanics. Thank you!

I am wondering how the traction and stability control modes interact with the eCVT? In addition, I've been wondering how vehicle modifications like changing tires size, adding lifts and such will effect the system? Does the computer control have some adaptive learning in it's programing? Or is it all controlled with mechanical feedback?

Not sure my questions even make sense but thought it would be good information to know before changing out the stock tires.
I definitely don’t know that level of detail but yes I must assume the computer is constantly assessing a wide variety of factors at all times that would adapt to a huge range of conditions. For example the computer knows how to keep itself going when you load it up with 1500lbs of payload or a 2000lbs trailer load, so I assume it can handle a bit of “strangeness” in different wheel sizes, wheel weight, and resistances. But it won’t recalculate speed/mileage differences of wheel sizes unless reprogrammed I think.
 

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Any thoughts on the top speed? I'm thinking about the highway speeds in TX where the posted is 80 and anyone not doing triple digits gets run over.
Did it in my M5, speedo said 190, GPS stated 193. Do I care what the Maverick will do, NOPE, it's not built for speed.
 
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Any thoughts on the top speed? I'm thinking about the highway speeds in TX where the posted is 80 and anyone not doing triple digits gets run over.
Wondering this myself. I know there is a limiter on it. Probably limited to about 120-125 mph. One thing about Hyundias/Kias ....don't think they put limiters on thier cars. Here is a Car and Driver test results for the 1.5L and 2.0L Escapes. I know the Maverick is a little slower probably because of Aerodynamics, but should be pretty close.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a29077713/2020-ford-escape-drive/
 

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Wondering this myself. I know there is a limiter on it. Probably limited to about 120-125 mph. One thing about Hyundias/Kias ....don't think they put limiters on thier cars. Here is a Car and Driver test results for the 1.5L and 2.0L Escapes. I know the Maverick is a little slower probably because of Aerodynamics, but should be pretty close.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a29077713/2020-ford-escape-drive/
In one of the other threads I believe Dave Buschur stated he got his ecoboost Maverick to 109 before it stopped accelerating. He's probably the most trustworthy individual on this board on topics such as this.
 

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We've put 105,000 miles on a '13 Camry Hybrid. With 200 HP, It drives like a car with a reasonable amount of power and maybe a smidgen more torque than you would expect.

If you need an extra 5mph to finish a pass at highway speed, it'll be there up to about 90mph. But it won't blow you away.
 

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Probably limited to about 120-125 mph.
Yep! Top speed is RPM limited; the traction motor is doing ~18K RPM at ~125 mph in the Escape. Maverick shares the Escape's 2.91:1 diff ratio, don't know about the internal gear reduction, but none of the HF45+ enhancements would require it.
 

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Having seen TFL mention there's no reverse gear in the trans, and reverse is strictly electric, what happens if the Hybrid battery is totally discharged? - Can you still reverse, or will the ICE generate energy to allow reversing? (Just a thought, after watching them backup the a trailer with the Hybrid, and specifically mentioning the lack of a reverse gear).
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