Let's talk numbers. Hybrid vs Ecoboost $$,$$$

[Maverickblues]

I didn't cover all the pages when assesing costs. I get 29 hiway with my eco. If both vehicles cost the same or close, in 4 years I would think the hybrid resale would be quite a bit higher. For most of us, that has to figure in. It's just another reason it is hard to really compare. It truly depends on individual cicumstances. Getting a hybrid for msrp is another difficulty.

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[brnpttmn]

Numbers: 1 month, 1000 miles

Hybrid: 1000/45mg*3.50 = $77.77
EB: 1000/25*3.50 = $140

diff = $62/month. Chane th enumbers and it moves around a bit but it'll be close.

Will it change your life? No, but you could have a fine bottle fo scotch once a month with the savings.

Or it's roughly $10K after 10 years if you roll the extra $62/mo into your 401K, IRA or other reasonable investment.

 

[NextTruck]

Plug in $6 gas and see what your numbers show. I think a lot of people made the buying decision when gas was a lot higher than it is now. Will it go back up? No idea, I hope not.

I bought the hybrid because of the gas mileage. If it came in AWD I would have got that but for me AWD is not all that important. I've driven FWD vehicles in snow and ice my whole life and with good snow tires I don't really get the need for AWD. It's nice but not needed.

Curious if you are running the stock all season tires or snow tires?

I would bet on it going back up. If your stated national energy policy is to abolish fossil fuels, and your secretary of energy is on a Youtube video dancing and singing that same sentiment, I can't imagine prices will stay down. Even now they are 80% higher than a couple years ago.

 

[Bmr4mav]

Hilarious.

I’ve been comparing cars BEFORE purchasing them for several years now.

Monthly loan payment, insurance, and fuel cost goes in there. Fuel cost is based on how I drive and my monthly miles and it uses fuelly data, not the EPA.

Doing it after the fact is too late.

Lastly, your math is likely off unless you drive 100% highway at 80mph. I get 22mpg in my EB and will likely get double that once my hybrid arrives. I drive almost all city.

 

[GyroRon]

I haven't driven a Maverick yet, but I have been watching forums and facebook for about a year now, reading up on peoples real world experiences with the Maverick. I have a order in ( placed in Sept 22 ) so I hope to soon own my own Maverick....

But saying that, From what I have gathered, in a nutshell....

In real world driving, The EcoBoost versions are likely to average out to around 23-25 mpg unless the driver is TRYING hard to get good MPG or is doing mostly interstate driving.

Then at the same time, the hybrid people seem to report real world MPG of around 38-40 mpg, unless they are really trying to get max MPG, in which case 45 mpg seems to be fairly true. Alot of interstate driving will actually lower the mpg to the 30-35 mpg point.

Seems both engines do semi close to the same on the interstate, which makes sense as the hybrid electric motor should not be doing much at interstate speeds and steady speed driving to help move the vehicle.... and what your left with is either engine package ( hybrid or ecoboost ) is having to push the same exact size and shape vehicle down the road at the same speed. It would make sense that both end up burning about the same amount of gas to do the same job.

So if your a mostly interstate driver, you probably won't save much in gas over the life of the vehicle if you choose the hybrid over the EB.

If your a city driver, or even a mixed use driver, you could save some good money on gas, especially if gas prices rise again.

By my math, if I drove 250 miles in a week and got 24 mpg, which realistically is what I believe the EB would net me.... 250 Divided by 24 = 10.4 gallons x $2.75= $28.60

Same 250 miles at 40 mpg which I think is realistic for the hybrid.... 250 divided by 40 = 6.25 gallons X $2.75 = $17.19

So even at today's reasonably affordable gas prices, the hybrid would save me $11.41 per 250 miles. I drive about that many miles a week, so the hybrid would save me $45.64 per month.

Do the same math though with gas back up to say $4 per gallon and its $41.60 for the EB and $25 for the hybrid, a $16.60 per week savings for the hybrid.... or a $66.40 per month savings.

Of course the numbers can change, you might find your able to get better than 24 mpg in the EB at times, or you might get worse than 40 mpg in the hybrid.... Or maybe you can consistently get 45mpg in the hybrid and your neighbor with the EB struggles to get 20mpg, hard to say and I have seen people reporting real world MPG on both models with wildly different mpg.

And let's face it, for many people, $40-60 a month is nothing. Look how many people drive 4 door Jeep wranglers that struggle to get 14 mpg..... Look at how many soccer moms are out roaming the streets in big Tahoes or big lexus or infinity SUV's that struggle to get 14-15 mpg. Look at all the guys with lifted full size trucks with big tires that also struggle to do much more than 10-12 mpg. These people don't care. Heck there is a lot of things in life where I see it as people pissing money away.... Every single person that rolls through the drive thru at Starbucks for example!

But for me, yeah, I am all about saving $11-12 per week on fuel.

I live my life that way in many aspects. Even though I am not proud to say, I eat fast food for lunch 5 days a week minimum... and even though I would love to have a double quarter pounder combo from McDonalds or the Asiago spicy chicken sandwich combo from Wendys.... I typically live off the Wendys 5 dollar biggie bag, because it's $5 verses the other two examples now running close to $10 or more. I see it as I am saving at least $4 a day on lunch, which is $20 a week or $80 a month!


Anyway enough on that....

I did also see where someone above me commented that the hybrid will likely have higher resale value when its 5-10 years old. Now that is something I am unsure of. I know that before this last high gas price thing we dealt with in 2022, Hybrids were actually not that good for resale as they aged and got close to or over 100K on them, as people were concerned with expensive battery replacement. Tesla's experience the same thing still to this day, Tesla's with higher miles really tank on resale value because people are worried about expensive battery replacement ( and reduced range ). I know that in the last year or so, because gas had been so expensive, hybrid's have experienced very high resale values.... But I don't know if that will hold true long term. It could very well work out that by the time there is a lot of 2022-2023 Mavericks for sale that are creeping up on 120-150K, the ecoboost versions could potentially be worth more. Hard to say.

 

[mavmav]

There is no way that gasoline prices will stay at $3 level. no doubt on that. very likely we will see prices go up to $5 in next year or even sooner.

 

[Bmr4mav]

I can't imagine any EB driver averaging 32 MPG after 100,000 miles. I drive almost exclusively in the city and am lucky to see 20 MPG in my AWD EB. You don't state what kind of driving you do, but if even a small percentage of it is in the city, you need to extend your calculations down to around 25 MPG before you make your comparison against EB.

Also, consider how long it's going to take you to drive 100,000 miles. I only drive about 4,000 miles per year, so I'm not particularly concerned with the reduced fuel economy of my EB, or the cost of gasoline, for that matter.

You sound like me.

22.5 mpg in my XL FWD EB over 6k miles.

my 27mpg tanks were 100% highway on a road trip.

my last tank was in the teens because it was 100% short city trips.

32mpg avg tank after tank in an EB Mav is a crackhead’s pipedream

 

[Grabber Rick]

What about insurance costs? Ive talked with a few hybrid owners that all told me the savings in gas were lost in higher insurance rates.

In 2019 I was looking at a Kia Niro hybrid and a Volkswagen Sports Wagon. The Volkswagen was Turbo and the insurance quote was higher because of the Turbo engine.

 

[Chicolini]

What about insurance costs? Ive talked with a few hybrid owners that all told me the savings in gas were lost in higher insurance rates.

I have both a hybrid and an ecoboost, the insurance is $4 higher with the hybrid.

Good question!

 

[SpaceyMac]

I just ordered Michelin crossclimate2 tires. $1,002 - not cheap. they are not winter tires but have good snow rating. I will drop pair of tire chains as an emergency. these 235/65r17 will go on original metal rims.
CROSSCLIMATE2 - SIZE: 235/65R17

Have the Cross Climate 2 mounted on my wife's SUV. They work great in the snow and ice while being quiet and stopping well in the wet. I think this is currently the best "All Weather" tire on the market.

 

[Joseaoe1]

I just ordered Michelin crossclimate2 tires. $1,002 - not cheap. they are not winter tires but have good snow rating. I will drop pair of tire chains as an emergency. these 235/65r17 will go on original metal rims.
CROSSCLIMATE2 - SIZE: 235/65R17

Would be interested in your perspective of how these handle on the hybrid once you have them installed and opportunity to drive in snow and ice. I have been waiting for my hybrid to get built before ordering the cross climates.
Meanwhile my AWD EB has been doing a decent job plowing through the snow and icy roads here in NE WI with stock tires. Having driven both front and AWD vehicles with dedicated snow tires I know that the AWD EB could do MUCH better with snow rated tires. The michelins also have a true snow rating & reading great things about them. Hopefully I can find them in 225/65/17

 

[mavmav]

225/65/17

once i receive and mount them I will let you know. perhaps will attach some pics. OEM size is
225/65/17 but i ordered 235/65/17 that are 10 mm wider and about 13 mm higher

 

[tapac333]

I have a hybrid for about two month. Great small pickup car. I used to love it by the time i stock in snow driving uphill. Than, i felt embarrassed and powerful, my maverick Hybrid love start to fade. (something like this - you got the drama. )
Next, I got home and asked myself. Why I got 2WD ? I always had AWD or 4x4. my answer was simple. I wanted to save money. I wanted a car under 20k that takes 42 mpg. I WAS WRONG.
I should have put those numbers in excel before i purchase hybrid. i could pay 5k more and get ecoboost 4x4 option and spend extra
$2,604 in fuel per 100k.
I assumed cost per gallon in $3.50. Driving hybrid 100k miles will cost $8,333 on EB 100k $10,937. Depending how and where you drive what are your calculations? Why would you choose EB vs Hybrid or Hybrid vs EB? Thank you!

Well... I live in Socal so snow isn't an issue.. mostly to haul camping gear and baby stuff.. so there's a user case for you. Maybe if we go to the mountains, I could see us getting stuck, but then I'd need chains anyways. My little Honda fit drove circles around stuck 4x4's without chains in Big Bear during a bad blizzard..

 

[Chicolini]

32mpg avg tank after tank in an EB Mav is a crackhead’s pipedream

I see you are located in Atlanta. I have experienced some truly amazing traffic congestion in the Atlanta area. Perhaps traffic congestion has affected your results?

I have enjoyed 32MPG over 4K miles with my EB Maverick here in rural East Virginia. We have no cities or Interstate highways, just stop lights on the state routes.

I got 37MPG over 2K miles with my Hybrid Maverick.

 

[Bmr4mav]

I see you are located in Atlanta. I have experienced some truly amazing traffic congestion in the Atlanta area. Perhaps traffic congestion has affected your results?

I have enjoyed 32MPG over 4K miles with my EB Maverick here in rural East Virginia. We have no cities or Interstate highways, just stop lights on the state routes.

I got 37MPG over 2K miles with my Hybrid Maverick.

Sorry man. It's not possible to get 32mpg tank after tank in an Maverick Ecoboost unless you are going by the optimistic trip computer.

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