Let's talk numbers. Hybrid vs Ecoboost $$,$$$

[commadorebob]

The ONLY Maverick that can be flat towed ( all four wheels on the ground for extended mileage) is the Hybrid. Very clearly stated in the owners manual ( including the 2023 version ) and in the chart listed above. The "1,2,3" listed is about the process you have to go through in the menu to ready it for flat/rv towing. The front wheel drive Ecoboost Maverick CANNOT be flat towed, 8 speed automatic transmission won't allow it.
The Hybrid Maverick is indeed listed for tow dolly ( front wheels on dolly ). The front wheel drive Ecoboost should be on that list, probably an oversite by Ford. I have not heard of a front wheel drive vehicle that cannot be towed on a tow dolly with front wheels on dolly.
None of the All Wheel Drive Mavericks can be flat towed or tow dolly towed as they come from the factory. This applies to the Escape Hybrid and Ecoboost also.

I see it. I didn't classify the Maverick as an "electrified" vehicle and didn't see it listed in that category.

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[wax87]

The ONLY Maverick that can be flat towed ( all four wheels on the ground for extended mileage) is the Hybrid. Very clearly stated in the owners manual ( including the 2023 version ) and in the chart listed above. The "1,2,3" listed is about the process you have to go through in the menu to ready it for flat/rv towing. The front wheel drive Ecoboost Maverick CANNOT be flat towed, 8 speed automatic transmission won't allow it.
The Hybrid Maverick is indeed listed for tow dolly ( front wheels on dolly ). The front wheel drive Ecoboost should be on that list, probably an oversite by Ford. I have not heard of a front wheel drive vehicle that cannot be towed on a tow dolly with front wheels on dolly.
None of the All Wheel Drive Mavericks can be flat towed or tow dolly towed as they come from the factory. This applies to the Escape Hybrid and Ecoboost also.

"The front wheel drive Ecoboost should be on that list, probably an oversite by Ford"

So true, I can't think of a reason you could not two wheel tow a Front wheel drive vehicle unless Park sets a brake on the back wheels, which if that is the case, set the gear selector to N...

 

[IdahoDirtFarmer]

Just for curiosity sakes, for my own situation I played with some numbers.

I drive about 20,000 miles a year on a rig. Gas is currently about $4/gallon here.

Figuring 42 mpg on a hybrid and 25 on an Ecoboost. Gas savings would equal about $100/month. Take out the additional almost $100 extra registration fee for hybrid each year and I'd save about $90ish per month.

That's if I could use it everyday of the year. Low-ball estimate of 4 months that it would need to be parked due to winter and the savings completely disappear.

Now if they ever release an AWD hybrid version, I'll be all over that like a fat kid on a cupcake. Likely trade in the Ecoboost so fast your head would spin.

For many people the hybrid makes great money sense, but when you get down to brass tax, I'll bet quite a few people don't get all much advantage with it. Just like a few people would get zero advantage with AWD, 4k tow, Ecoboost, etc.

 

[TheQuixotic1]

There are far more variables when it comes to talking numbers of hybrid vs EcoBoost. And those numbers differ from locality to locality.

Some states give/gave you a tax credit for buying a hybrid, some actively rake you over the coals. Here in bass-ackwards Ohio, they charge you an additional $100 every year to register your vehicle if it is a hybrid ($200 if it is a phev or fully electric). Their reasoning channels their inner Henry Hill from Goodfellas: "f*** you, pay me."

Total cost of ownership can be vastly different when looking beyond gas. My 2013 C-Max has over 145,000 miles on it and still has the original brakes. I finally replaced the original 12v battery 3 months ago. I don't worry about oil changes until 10k miles. When I lived in Las Vegas my average MPGs from tank to tank and season to season fluctuated between 38 and 46. The last several years in the Midwest it can fluctuate anywhere from 23-44.

Most people love to let the gas pump be the barometer for their emotional state because it's easy to point to big signs with numbers on them and let them be both the causation and correlation for how they feel on a day to day basis. While this might be more valid for people who struggle to exist economically, if they have the ability to comfortably purchase/finance a brand new vehicle it shouldn't hold as much sway over them; and if it still does then they should reassess their confidence in being able to buy something new.

In my opinion and lived experience, which will still always only be anecdotal, it is considerably cheaper in the long run to own a hybrid vehicle when you look at the total cost of ownership.

All that being said, my order is for an EcoBoost Lariat Lux FX4 4K. Frugality and pure economical rationality can only take you so far, after all.

 

[B2000]

My first 3 cars were RWD and I spun 2 of them on the highway- one low speed and one full speed on black ice. Luckily no major damage either time. Then traded for a FWD Audi 100LS and that thing was unstoppable in the snow. If the snow was deep I could put it in drive and get out and give myself a push to get started. Then a Ford Fiesta with the stock Michelin XZXs that did great unless the snow was too deep. Then a FWD Infiniti that I switched to Blizzaks for the winter- did great. Now an AWD Infiniti and I like not have to do the twice a year changeover. The Infiniti is rear drive based so it is fun in the dry weather and engages the fronts as needed in the sloppy stuff. I run all seasons on it and have never had a problem.

My Mazda truck is horrendous in snow but I will take it out to play if its only a couple of inches. No stopping on uphill grades- damn the stop signs and motor on- cautiously of course.

The fuel price difference means nothing to me at this point and the peace of mind of AWD is worth it. Here in Missouri I paid $2.39 for regular at Sam's this week. We have a big refinery on the Illinois side so our prices are typically pretty good.

 

[Timothyd]

I have a hybrid for about two month. Great small pickup car. I used to love it by the time i stock in snow driving uphill. Than, i felt embarrassed and powerful, my maverick Hybrid love start to fade. (something like this - you got the drama. )
Next, I got home and asked myself. Why I got 2WD ? I always had AWD or 4x4. my answer was simple. I wanted to save money. I wanted a car under 20k that takes 42 mpg. I WAS WRONG.
I should have put those numbers in excel before i purchase hybrid. i could pay 5k more and get ecoboost 4x4 option and spend extra
$2,604 in fuel per 100k.
I assumed cost per gallon in $3.50. Driving hybrid 100k miles will cost $8,333 on EB 100k $10,937. Depending how and where you drive what are your calculations? Why would you choose EB vs Hybrid or Hybrid vs EB? Thank you!

I have a 2wd coming and I'm fine with that. Been good with 2wd living in Wisconsin for a long time with no problems. Wouldn't mind having a 4wd in the garage for those really bad days but perhaps some day.
If I have to head out in a storm I'll throw the come a long and straps in the back and I carry tire chains all winter.
With the strangeness of the Mav delivery I'm holding off on extra wheels/snows till it gets here. Anybody in Wisconsin/Illinois/Indiana with extra steelies or extra Bronco wheels?

 

[realshelby]

I get why some want the AWD. Lot of security with that even on wet roads. But growing up in the West Virginia mountains, I know a front wheel drive with PROPER snow/ice tires will go anywhere you really need to go as long as the snow isn't a fresh 18" where you are breaking the trail. In fact I preferred a properly equipped front wheel drive over the 4x4 pickups I always kept around on icy roads. Modern AWD is better in even this situation. I have an AWD vehicle in the garage now for my wife. And I own a Jeep Rubicon. But I will replace the Jeep with the Maverick. Live in Houston now, deep snow never an issue. But I know I can travel in snow with the Maverick and not worry. Going up north? Just buy a set of Bronco Sport takeoff wheels and tires and head out!
I have owned a Hybrid C max and loved it. Less maintenance, less fuel used, especially love how the AC works without engine running.
If Ford was offering the AWD Hybrid.....I probably would go that route. Simply because of how much better they handle torrential rainstorms and they handle better on dry roads. Probably 1-2 mpg less overall.

 

[Maverick2023]

I got less than 20k to spend and hybrid fits the bill. Everything else is irrelevant. No other cars out there that is brand new for less than 20k OTD

 

[commadorebob]

Even with my EB, because of my work situation, some of you will be spending more on gas per month in your hybrid than I will per year in my EB. Right now, I'm am trending to have 6 total tanks of fuel in my Saturn. Simply due to driving habit changes once it arrives, I suspect I will average just under one tank per month in the Maverick. So, even after 10 years of driving an EB, I'll just be up on the limit of the 50,000 maintenance items whereas some of you will run the wheels off your hybrid in less than three.

Everyone's situation is different and they will need to consider that. For me, the fuel savings of a hybrid over ten years would be about $1,500 and that assumes gas prices double from what I put in the Escape last night.

 

[Uncle Ed]

Even with my EB, because of my work situation, some of you will be spending more on gas per month in your hybrid than I will per year in my EB. Right now, I'm am trending to have 6 total tanks of fuel in my Saturn. Simply due to driving habit changes once it arrives, I suspect I will average just under one tank per month in the Maverick. So, even after 10 years of driving an EB, I'll just be up on the limit of the 50,000 maintenance items whereas some of you will run the wheels off your hybrid in less than three.

Everyone's situation is different and they will need to consider that. For me, the fuel savings of a hybrid over ten years would be about $1,500 and that assumes gas prices double from what I put in the Escape last night.

The very reason I picked hybrid, if it didn't get max mpg not much reason to move on from 98 s-10 that gets mid 20mpg. 4000 miles in 10 weeks just driving local. I live " out in the country past the city limit signs " .

 

[ClemsonU88]

What if you invest your savings? I've had my hybrid Maverick for 5 months, and have put between $40-$50 (whatever I paid for gas the previous week) in stock every other week when I don't need to fill up. That's between $80-$100 per month. After 5 months, I have about $600 in Amazon & AMD stock (they've increased some, and will probably increase a lot more as the economy recovers).

 

[TyPope]

FYI here is data starting from 27 MPG to 44 MPG

Another way to look at this is the number of gallons of gas that you save. When you lower consumption of gas (and oil), you help ween the US off foreign oil. And being less reliant on outside producers makes us more secure and gives us more leeway in how we respond to adversarial inputs. This is a good thing. This is an American thing. Well, it would be nice if the Maverick was made in the USA but, sigh, you can't have everything.

 

[wax87]

Another way to look at this is the number of gallons of gas that you save. When you lower consumption of gas (and oil), you help ween the US off foreign oil. And being less reliant on outside producers makes us more secure and gives us more leeway in how we respond to adversarial inputs. This is a good thing. This is an American thing. Well, it would be nice if the Maverick was made in the USA but, sigh, you can't have everything.

there is no boarder between the US and where the mav is manufactured, so it is made in the USA???

 

[mamboman777]

I set up a full set of winter tires for my XLT, FWD ecoboost a few weeks ago. Now that winter has hit full on, my experience is that these are a massive improvement over the stock tires. Not a little better...but fully transfomational. I always prefer a well set up FWD car to a AWD car in modest amounts of snow (8" or less), but this really changes the game.

FWIW...I set up Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 on 2nd hand steelies with Autel MX (TPMS) sensors. This way I can swap them back and forth seasonally with no hassles.

I've never had winter tires before and (in Texas) I'm probably not going to need them anytime soon. That said, in a FWD car, works it be possible to only put them on the front? I know it would negatively affect braking, but with the Maverick being front heavy and FWD would that make a big difference?

 

[TyPope]

there is no boarder between the US and where the mav is manufactured, so it is made in the USA???

There is a border there. I've seen it. I see what you are trying to get at but that's sort of like pointing out the border between the US and Canada. Why?

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