TFL Slip Test on 2025 Maverick Hybrid AWD

[FreedomPenguin]

what! must have been a 2.2L if you didn't have the blown headgasket issue that pretty much every early 2.5L developed sooner or later.

I had a '99 Impreza 2.5RS manual. Didn't miss it a bit once I got a '03 Evo8.

yep, it was 2.2. I remember that. it was a fun little thing lemme find a pic of what looked like. mine was solid 1 color instead of 99% of the ones I saw

it was 1998 legacy GT wagon 2.2 manual. looked like this, same color and everything. was one of my most fun cars tbh. it was literally a tank, it went through everything, and enjoyed doing it.

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[colinl]

mine was solid 1 color instead of 99% of the ones I saw

lol yeah subaru really leaned into that 2-tone thing for a while there.

here's mine. 2 headgasket jobs in under 60k miles. buh-bye!

 

[AzureBlueBill]

After re watching it if he had just turned traction control off from the start it wouldn't have had any issues. Traction control is not meant for off-roading.

Absolutely correct. The only time I have not been able to get my AWD Maverick to move, it was on a slope covered with damp grass. Turned off the traction control, and there was no problem at all getting going.

 

[Nw_adventure]

It is extremely hard to understand because the engine and transmission are not the AWD system. The 8F35 nor eco boost make an ounce of difference in the slip test.

TFL did not slip test an FX4 but they compared an EB to the Santa Cruz and the same wheel slip occurs when they lift a tire.

Again. It is the same exact AWD system.

I’m done trying to explain it to you. I’m happy you’re happy with your FX4 and believe it has some magical capabilities over any other AWD Maverick, escape, or bronco sport.

Its simple- The AWD/Hybrid which Ford is warning folks to not really do anything "off-roady" with has not really been exposed to anything other than a fun slip test and a mild dirt road.

So how are folks assuming it's all the same as the standard AWD/Turbo (Non FX4) with wheel slippage/traction loss, power going to what wheels these situations ? I think the Hybrid/Awd Maverick would have more in-common with the AWD/Hybrid Escape than the Turbo Maverick -

Something interesting to note from my own personal experience is I have been "stuck" temporarily in a couple of situations backing up with these "AWD" systems and found that going in reverse can be problematic in the snow/mud- Even noticed that after an AT tire swap the updated tires had better traction in reverse than the previous set-

 

[colinl]

Absolutely correct. The only time I have not been able to get AWD Maverick to move, it was on a slope covered with damp grass. Turned off the traction control, and there was no problem at all getting going.

yes and no. the no part is when a tire is in the air, you need something to make sure the tires on the ground get torque. that's where lockers win, and aggressive braking-based solutions help a lot as TFL's old range rover showed. TFL's roller test is very nearly the same as putting a tire in the air.

but if all the tires are on the ground, and you have a decent tread depth tire, wheelspin in dirt, mud and snow definitely does generate traction as you experienced. the more aggressive the tire, the more it makes a difference.

 

[sprubs]

yep, it was 2.2. I remember that. it was a fun little thing lemme find a pic of what looked like. mine was solid 1 color instead of 99% of the ones I saw

it was 1998 legacy GT wagon 2.2 manual. looked like this, same color and everything. was one of my most fun cars tbh. it was literally a tank, it went through everything, and enjoyed doing it.

That was a sweet car.

 

[710-oil-614]

Its simple- The AWD/Hybrid which Ford is warning folks to not really do anything "off-roady" with has not really been exposed to anything other than a fun slip test and a mild dirt road.

So how are folks assuming it's all the same as the standard AWD/Turbo (Non FX4) with wheel slippage/traction loss, power going to what wheels these situations ? I think the Hybrid/Awd Maverick would have more in-common with the AWD/Hybrid Escape than the Turbo Maverick -

Something interesting to note from my own personal experience is I have been "stuck" temporarily in a couple of situations backing up with these "AWD" systems and found that going in reverse can be problematic in the snow/mud- Even noticed that after an AT tire swap the updated tires had better traction in reverse than the previous set-

Did you get watch the video above where an FX4 struggled like ass? Why would you assume absent of a slip test that an FX4 has a different or advanced AWD system when Ford has never indicated as much?

 

[FreedomPenguin]

That was a sweet car.

it got rear ended, and I was super bummed. but it was one of my first vehicles, and I can say without a doubt, that was memorable for me, its how I learned how to drive manual too.

 

[KrS]

I'm quite happy to keep my 24 Tremor. I can get out of pretty much anything that isn't a high center.

 

[710-oil-614]

I'm quite happy to keep my 24 Tremor. I can get out of pretty much anything that isn't a high center.

Because you have an awesome advanced AWD system with a twin clutch pack RDU that FX4 and Hybrid AWD do not.

It’s a great set up.

 

[Nw_adventure]

Did you get watch the video above where an FX4 struggled like ass? Why would you assume absent of a slip test that an FX4 has a different or advanced AWD system when Ford has never indicated as much?

Ok I will type slower- That's not at all the statement or question- The fact that you assume for some reason that the Hybrid AWD is going to behave just like the Turbo/AWD with a completely different set of characteristics in off-road traction limited stations is just not making sense.

 

[710-oil-614]

Ok I will type slower- That's not at all the statement or question- The fact that you assume for some reason that the Hybrid AWD is going to behave just like the Turbo/AWD with a completely different set of characteristics in off-road traction limited stations is just not making sense.

ok I will respond slower.

The fact that you assume for some reason that the FX4 has a different AWD system than non-FX4 Mavericks is just not making sense.

EDIT: You can continue to state that you have some magical powers that other AWD mavericks do not have but until you show any sort of evidence to support it - all you have is the same AWD system you just saw in the Hybrid AWD.

The same system you saw in the Texas Truck FX4 video struggle like hell to make the grade.

Your FX4 package is lipstick. It does not improve your AWD system at all beyond hill descent.

The drive modes available on FX4 can be added to any non-FX4 Maverick and the same results are there.

 

[colinl]

they have different transmissions. I really have no idea if there are any technical reasons that Ford can't make the brake-based traction control stronger, or if there is no technical issue but they simply chose not optimize it for at/near infinite slip situations.

all I know for sure is that TFL's video shows their hybrid awd is not great at infinite slip, and a bronco sport badlands (same as Maverick Tremor) is dramatically better. I don't think TFL has tested an ecoboost awd non-Tremor / Badlands on those rollers.

 

[npaladin2000]

Didn't read this whole thread yet, but I saw that video and thought maybe Ford mixed something up or has a software bug. It seems like traction control is only working in slippery mode when traction control is off. A bit counter-intuitive, at least to me.

 

[Aguy]

Didn't read this whole thread yet, but I saw that video and thought maybe Ford mixed something up or has a software bug. It seems like traction control is only working in slippery mode when traction control is off. A bit counter-intuitive, at least to me.

If there's enough complaints made to Ford, an update is possible. I'm holding out hope once more are delivered we can get a campaign going

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