If they made a full EV Maverick, would you buy, switch? [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[riverrat373]

I didn't read it that way. But I deleted my post.

Lexus ES 300h. Not many of us can afford a $50,000 + car. Maverick Hybrid average cost: $25,000. I can buy lots of gas for the other $25,000 !

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[TCPTX65]

Hybrid - definitely (Mine's scheduled to be built 10/17)
Plug in Hybrid - Yes (although I would keep a close eye on my electric bill)
EV - No (where I live, there are not any charging stations and this would definitely spike my electric bill)

 

[TyPope]

Absolutely. And as an analyst, I'm sure you are aware that a hefty percentage of peer reviewed research is ultimately "proven" incorrect. Until perhaps that determination falls in its turn, that is.

It sure can be. We have to be really careful in my job because lives are in the balance.

 

[Clock Doc]

Can you provide sources for those numbers, everything I've read is there reverse. Thanks

I know not everyone believes the EPA https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths

I'll have to concede on those numbers because I cannot find the information I had to base that on. When I find those sources I will surely let you know. I will stand by my overall assessment that at this point in time that worldwide it is not the game changer it's being touted as.

Personally for me there is too much neg. at the moment environmental concerns removed. Child labor, infrastructure worldwide, pollution caused by mines the lack of a structured battery recycling program, battery degradation, heat and cold effects on battery range/life. The list goes on. I think Hybrids plug in and non plug in are a better choice for that but still do not meet the requirements I have. Looking forward aluminum batteries that have 1500 mile range and swap out in 15min or Theion's sulfur carbon battery that has promise. Unfortunately Theion will not be supplying the EV market anytime soon as it is being developed for aerospace.
I used to trust the EPA had high hopes for them I remember the reason it was formed after the Cuyahoga River fire. I believe that was the tenth fire on that river alone and something like 5 fires nationwide that year. I also grew up in a factory city and saw where they fail.

Sorry got long winded. lol

 

[projectvortex]

These are the same reasons I won't get one today. Someday that won't be the case, but not sure I'll still be driving at that point (and I'm early 40s so not quite old yet).

I drive 70+ miles a day, frequently over 100, and several hundred mile trips are not unusual. I can't have to work multiple 1 hr plus stops into this when I need to be at a work function. The only way non hybrid electric takes over whole sale is when the range and recharge time is comparable to gas. I know that Musk has said its not practical, but a battery swap system would be HUGE in this department. That doesn't seem to be on anyone's agenda though.

Also the grid and power distribution infrastructure are a long way off from being ready to support full electric (like a really long ways off). See the other thread for a lot on this.

My wife drives so little she is a good fit, but her Altima is paid for and only has 27k miles. Not trading in for $10k to buy a $40k vehicle plus work in our panel at home... to save $500 a year in gas vs electric charge (and I think that is a generous number) . Numbers don't work. It's a decade alone before many of the people in a similar camp with paid for cars are looking to change. And then the choice still may not be to pay a premium for electric if prices don't come down.

A lot is needed to get there. Long term I think it can, but it's not 10-15 years off even at the current rate of innovation IMO.

Mid 50s here so I guess I’m old. Lol

 

[Decayed]

I think this would be the "natural evolution" if EV's weren't being forced upon us by those who know better think they know better. The notion that this world is ready for an immediate switch to renewables is absurd.

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[Decayed]

Can't argue that. It's definitely easier to carry gas cans to fill up after 600 miles. We don't really get many hurricanes in Nebraska so we haven't had to do that. Towing will suck in an EV but I don't do that very much other than taking the boat to the lake. It'll also be a while till there are charging stations as prevalent as gas stations. We charge at home except for trips and charging is about potty break fast but it does happen about every 240-260 miles which is fine by me - 3 hours is enough time between stops. LOL. I used to be able to do those marathon trips (Ohio to Utah in 27 hrs) but no more.

I totally agree that hybrids make more sense for long trips, hauling, and times where long range is needed. I'd love it if the 23 Maverick came as a plug-in hybrid with 20-30 miles of electric range... should be just a small 12KwH battery... You don't need a big battery or long range most days. It'd be great to just plug it in and be able to skip the gas station for months between long trips but still have the range and towing of a hybrid. Electrics have a lot less maintenance but the hybrid has advantages as well. Range and refills being two.

Yeah I agree, EV''s have a niche but I really don't want to be told I have to have one until the tech matures. Right now with the tech we have I think we are barking up the wrong tree trying to make them full fledged cars.

I'd love a little EV grocery getter with about 100 miles range - something basically tiny and above all cheap with just enough juice to handle residential roads an air conditioner and a heater with like 2 hours endurance. You don't need advanced tech to go to the store. 90% of my local driving is like that. I bought a maverick for the other 10% where I absolutely have to have more capability.

IMO a hybrid or plug in maverick with AWD would be ideal - no worries about finding charging stations, just gas up and go and plug it into house current over night to save gas.

 

[Msjulie]

I think Hybrids plug in and non plug in are a better choice for that but still do not meet the requirements I have.

One of the reasons the Maverick appeals to us is the hybrid; we've got a full EV now and a plugin hybrid that can do ~20 (ha tiny) miles on battery alone. That works real well for so many of our short trips ie no gas. Wish the Maverick was plugin for that reason, we have so many < 5 mile trips I hate not fully warming up an engine for such a short trip. Even so, local dealer hasn't even told us we can make an order yet so there's that!

 

[Decayed]

Can you provide sources for those numbers, everything I've read is there reverse. Thanks

I know not everyone believes the EPA https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths

Not everyone believe them and you shouldn't either. They mention nothing about the environmental impact of lithium mining nor do they discuss power loss due to line resistance. I could go on but at web page is chock full of cherry picked factoids but it's not the whole truth.

 

[Clock Doc]

Wait... how does a vehicle that literally creates carbon every single time it is started ever become carbon neutral? LOL

No transportation is carbon neutral except a horse. All Cars emit co2 in one fashion or another. Net zero is what is touted by every EV expert because nothing exits the tailpipe. The truth is you burn fossil fuels to build and power an EV so not neutral either. With over 60% of the world producing dirty energy EV neutrality gets more complicated.

 

[gte105u]

No transportation is carbon neutral except a horse. All Cars emit co2 in one fashion or another. Net zero is what is touted by every EV expert because nothing exits the tailpipe. The truth is you burn fossil fuels to build and power an EV so not neutral either. With over 60% of the world producing dirty energy EV neutrality gets more complicated.

Do horse farts cause methane issues like cow farts? Horses may have their issues too...

 

[Big Kahuna]

Everything you need to know about why you shouldn't switch to an electric vehicle was revealed by California officials.

On Monday, the peak load for electricity is projected to be the highest of the year, exceeding 48,000 megawatts. Officials will ask Californians not to charge electric vehicles if conditions worsen.

If electric companies are allowed to regulate charging in the future (which is the plan) you won't get to decide WHEN to charge your car - someone will tell you. Next, officials will tell you where you're allowed to drive. Then they'll tell you which vehicles you're allowed to own.

 

[Clock Doc]

Everything you need to know about why you shouldn't switch to an electric vehicle was revealed by California officials.

On Monday, the peak load for electricity is projected to be the highest of the year, exceeding 48,000 megawatts. Officials will ask Californians not to charge electric vehicles if conditions worsen.

If electric companies are allowed to regulate charging in the future (which is the plan) you won't get to decide WHEN to charge your car - someone will tell you. Next, officials will tell you where you're allowed to drive. Then they'll tell you which vehicles you're allowed to own.

Cali has had Flex advisories for years. It has nothing to do with ev's in general but large energy consumption in the evenings. They ask, not tell, that you conserve between 5pm and 10pm by reducing large electric users. And to use the heavy consumables after 10pm.

I do agree though if they can't feed enough power when demand is high now then they are in serious trouble in the future!

 

[Timothyd]

Cali has had Flex advisories for years. It has nothing to do with ev's in general but large energy consumption in the evenings. They ask, not tell, that you conserve between 5pm and 10pm by reducing large electric users. And to use the heavy consumables after 10pm.

I do agree though if they can't feed enough power when demand is high now then they are in serious trouble in the future!

THIS is not going to get better. The idiots worry about making everyone feel better about themselves and saving the world but let the basics go to pot. Wait till there's 20 million electric cars out there. I'm keeping my ICE.

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