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Um no. Do some digging most that use strictly data point to the fact that the world temp overall measured has not increased since 2008. Yet if we are causing it how did it stop. Data collection is all we have. I for one don’t think we don’t have an effect I believe we do but I don’t think what we do will change the outcome. In fact before fossil fuels the earth warmed at a much much faster rate than it has since. We left an ice age all before cows or cars. So how can anyone say it’s settled?
I linked several videos with well respected scientists that do study the exact topic. Please watch them and tell me where or discredit the data. We really can’t. Hence why you will never get a climate expert to openly debate real scientists. They will publish a paper but never debate the actual data.

I wish they would so we could have a clear picture. I think it goes without saying that your link has a pretty apparent agenda attached. At least gonzo linked USA Today which has some credit.
Because the climate changed before humans doesn't mean humans can't affect it. That's not the logical scientific process. It's more cherry picking.
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For those who seek the truth, or at least the truth as best we can currently ascertain, no matter your current beliefs, both sides of this debate (humans/climate) should be researched carefully.

Unfortunately, main stream media, and the globalists get all the attention, since they control most of what is easily seen & heard. Their conclusion/agenda is pretty clear, and easy to access.

Here are a few suggestions for educating yourself on the alternative view. Look into the work of the following credible researchers:
Dr. Judith Curry(her book,"Climate Uncertainty & Risk" is a great read)
Dr. Steven Koonin
Dr. Richard Lindzen
Bjorn Lomborg
(Jordan Peterson has podcasts with all of the above, great way to get started)
Russ Schussler (The Planning Engineer, great insight into the electrical grid, and alternative energy.)

This is such an enormous, complex subject, most of us must rely on the "experts" for guidance.

For me, it's rather clear which side is seeking the truth, and which side is pushing an agenda.
"Globalists" .... and "main stream media " ..lol
 

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So on another note are there any suburban drivers who can give me me their usual mpg. Debating between EB and a hybrid here. Thanks
 

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The climate is not going to affect me personally ONE LITTLE BIT.
My son and his wife in Floridduh? Yup. BIG TIME.
Three grand daughters in Floriduh? ABSOLUTELY!!
If you are under 75, GOOD LUCK!
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Because the climate changed before humans doesn't mean humans can't affect it. That's not the logical scientific process. It's more cherry picking.
saying the earth is warming and humans are causing it. Mayeb

But how do you then explain it’s sudden stop in warming and stability since 08? If your whole premise is that we are causing it. Yet every year we pollute more wouldn’t the outcome be warming year over year?
That’s the problem with you stating your assumption. Mine is made by that fact. You can’t say we are causing it then we have more co2 and greenhouse gasses and it stops getting warm.
 

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"Globalists" .... and "main stream media " ..lol
He does have a point with his globalists. I’m not on board with that thought but it’s is interesting that the media does control what you get. I’m old enough to remember when the covid shot was safe and effective. It stopped the spread, it was form a wet market, all these things that if you had a different opinion were buried and not allowed. Seemed misinformation until it wasn’t and proven to be true.
I’m just saying one should question more of what they hear from main stream. It really opened my eye when they tried to ban and destroy Dr Robert Malone when he voiced concerns. It seems to be the same with the climate.
People now form camps and even if faced with data they are willing to ignore it. I personally like to take anything I can’t find weigh both and make up my own mind.
I must add that Joe Rogan is not mainstream many of the things him and his guest have said have been attack by mainstream only for him and his guest, mainly his guest to be proven right.
He really has some fascinating people on sometimes.
 
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Some say the earth has stopped warming long before 08 but I’m giving benefit of the doubt. Because they have very consistent measurements since 08 that prove it hasn’t while overlaid with greenhouse gasses tend to blow apart the stance I held forever. Which was yes it’s warm yes we are speeding it up but do we have a better option without killing a ton of people or economies?
 

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saying the earth is warming and humans are causing it. Mayeb

But how do you then explain it’s sudden stop in warming and stability since 08? If your whole premise is that we are causing it. Yet every year we pollute more wouldn’t the outcome be warming year over year?
That’s the problem with you stating your assumption. Mine is made by that fact. You can’t say we are causing it then we have more co2 and greenhouse gasses and it stops getting warm.
It hasn't stabilized first of all. Second of all, it's a lot more complicated as our most things than just picking up a factor to them suits a basic argument. If you look at the link from NASA, the temperature hasn't stabilized. It's pretty simple if you look at the use of fossil fuels over the last 100 years and look at the temperature over the last 100 years. They basically track in parallel. Like I said, if we can have a nice carbon capture system then we're good.
 
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Some say the earth has stopped warming long before 08 but I’m giving benefit of the doubt. Because they have very consistent measurements since 08 that prove it hasn’t while overlaid with greenhouse gasses tend to blow apart the stance I held forever. Which was yes it’s warm yes we are speeding it up but do we have a better option without killing a ton of people or economies
He does have a pony with his globalists. I’m not on board with that thought but it’s is interesting that the media does control what you get. I’m old enough to remember when the covid shot was safe and effective. It stopped the spread, it was form a wet market, all these things that if you had a different opinion were buried and not allowed. Seemed misinformation until it wasn’t and proven to be true.
I’m just saying one should question more of what they hear from main stream. It really opened my eye when they tried to ban and destroy Dr Robert Malone when he voiced concerns. It seems to be the same with the climate.
People now form camps and even if faced with data they are willing to ignore it. I personally like to take anything I can’t find weigh both and make up my own mind.
I must add that Joe Rogan is not mainstream many of the things him and his guest have said have been attack by mainstream only for him and his guest, mainly his guest to be proven right.
He really has some fascinating people on sometimes.
Maybe it came from a lab. Maybe it was a wet market. See the thing is when something is new we don't really know. Hopefully people have an open mind and scientists are willing to revise opinions. People usually criticize that he's so called mainstream media when it says something they don't like against the way it is now the internet. I think either proved what people are like or made them worse. People just here and read what day one or what the algorithm news they will click on. Obviously I think it was better back when Walter Cronkite just delivered the news but that was before my day
 

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Some say the earth has stopped warming long before 08 but I’m giving benefit of the doubt. Because they have very consistent measurements since 08 that prove it hasn’t while overlaid with greenhouse gasses tend to blow apart the stance I held forever. Which was yes it’s warm yes we are speeding it up but do we have a better option without killing a ton of people or economies?
That's the false narrative, the killing economies thing. Moneyed interests want or the economy will be destroyed? They said the same thing when they created the EPA, it was going to ruin the economy or when in the '90s when they were making more strict environmental laws, or when they banned DDT. Usually it's the ones who have something to lose that. Get that misinformation out there. We had a great depression almost 100 years ago and we didn't have environmental regs then. We have them now and unemployment is less than 4%. It's actually the other way around. Without doing something. The economy will get worse as a US. Auto industry will not survive the international onslaught that's coming. Well. They still will be auto workers in the United States. They will be working for a VW, Hyundai, etc.
 

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Btw members i am truly enjoying others takes on this. It definitely sparks a deeper thought process. Especially when attached to something we like. Like out mavericks
 

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