If they made a full EV Maverick, would you buy, switch? [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[Takk]

I might just be a 30-something year old luddite, but I don't think the technology is mature enough, support infrastructure, or vehicle maintenance concepts are sufficient for full EVs or even Hybrids for me to want to convert. I relish driving long distances, going away from cities, and staying there for long periods.

Electric vehicles just don't get me to where I want to go with the reliability I'm expecting.

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[CuriousGary]

We are at the "wright flyer" stage or maybe a bit past. I'll wait until they hit the jet age, thank you. Hybrids are the immediate future.

We are way beyond the Wright Brothers stage of EVs. I will trade for a plug-in hybrid as soon as they are available.

 

[CuriousGary]

Price matters to some of us. I'm paying cash and only willing to spend so much.

An EV Maverick the same price as the hybrid. No competition. Of course I'd get the EV.

An EV Maverick starting at $40k. Nope. Out of my price range, won't even consider

Price matters! Regarding PHEV, I drive over 30 miles a day on days I drive. A PHEV would not be beneficial to me.

California has announced that all vehicles sold by 2035 must be electric. EVs include plug in hybrids (PHEV) which will need to go 50 miles on electric only before switching to gas.

Ford’s PHEV Escape SUV is now goes 37 miles in electric only mode. Toyota has the RAV4 PHEV will go 40 mile in electric only mode. But these are great and expensive vehicles.

PHEVs are beyond your price range for now, but hopefully Ford will make an affordable PHEV Maverick in the 24 or 25 MY.

 

[AngloSoup]

California has announced that all vehicles sold by 2035 must be electric. EVs include plug in hybrids (PHEV) which will need to go 50 miles on electric only before switching to gas.

Ford’s PHEV Escape SUV is now goes 37 miles in electric only mode. Toyota has the RAV4 PHEV will go 40 mile in electric only mode. But these are great and expensive vehicles.

PHEVs are beyond your price range for now, but hopefully Ford will make an affordable PHEV Maverick in the 24 or 25 MY.

Yes, I suspect I'm going to be rolled into '24 and they might have a PHEV then. Unless they use newer tech, I'm not expecting above 35 mile advertised range. Mavericks cousin, the escape gets 37, but Maverick probably get slightly less due to truck gearing.

So, it might just about get me to work and back when new, maybe with a few miles of gas usage. After a few years of battery degradation maybe a handful more miles on gas... But still should save me from having to fill up the tank every week.

It'll be a numbers game at that point. How much more is the PHEV and how much will it likely save me.

 

[commadorebob]

Yes if:

1. 500-mile range in the deep south with A/C during August
2. Comparable price to ICE by bringing EV down and not ICE up

I work from home so I am fine with either technology. It's not like I am burning a tank of gas but once every two months anyway. But capability and affordability is the problem. The median household income in the US is just under $70,000. That means more than half of households in America cannot afford a $90,000 EV.

 

[Decayed]

We are way beyond the Wright Brothers stage of EVs. I will trade for a plug-in hybrid as soon as they are available.

A plug in hybrid is not an EV. It's still a hybrid.

Good luck during the next brown out btw.

 

[Ford Motor Company]

No. I put in a reservation for the Silverado EV the first day reservations opened. Then I learned about all the things it CAN'T do. Sure, it can pull a cruise ship out of the water, but the RANGE while TOWING is going to be like 100 miles. Or less depending on what you want to tow. And WHERE do most people want to take trucks? OFF ROAD which means OFF-GRID. YOU CAN't take a Jerry Can of extra electricity with you to the SD badlands or Utah Arches.

I've had a Chevy Bolt EV for six years and love it. PERFECT for a single occupant daily commuter car in the city.

The Mav Hybrid is so great; a PHEV is not needed and an EV is pointless. Look what the CURRENT model will do around the city with RANGE to traverse the Badlands! Ford NAILED IT.

Glad to know we nailed it!

 

[erikdev]

A Maverick EV would be exactly what my daughter would want if the price was right. Until battery technology and charging infrastructure improves I would probably want one hybrid and one EV for our two vehicles and since I just ordered a hybrid Maverick that would take an EV pickup off the menu (eyeing a Chevy Equinox EV if it can deliver on the price point). Had a Maverick EV been available, I would have considered it if the price was right and/or it qualified for a tax credit.

 

[GPSMan]

It's all about the energy folks.
The reason we use gasoline and diesel is energy per pound. Literally nothing beats it (except nuclear power). Nothing comes close.

Batteries for huge range is foolish.
Batteries for short range is practical.
It's not really about technology. Really it isn't.

Why do you charge your phone every night? Answer: It's because people will only buy something light weight and of practical size.

You could have a cell phone with a battery to last 2 weeks per charge. But it would weigh 5 pounds. This is what some of you expect from an EV.

An EV truck with 500 miles is going to weigh 10,000 unladen weight. And you need to tote that weight around on every trip, even the short ones, so your cost per mile will be larger. Maybe larger than gas.

Just not practical.

Smaller batteries. Frequent charging. Even automatic charging will be the future. It's the only way to go. (Other than nuclear.)

 

[GPSMan]

Why not frequent charging? There's only one requirement: your vehicle be stationary.

How many hours per day is your vehicle stationary? If you answered a value greater than 2 hours a day, frequent charging is for you and EV is a practical solution in areas with grid power.

My Chevy Bolt Compact EV with 250 miles of range recharges in 1 minute. Sometimes less.

20-30 seconds to connect the cord, 20-30 second to dis-connect the cord. FASTER THAN REFUELING AT A GAS STATION.

IT ONLY TAKES 1 minute of my time.
What do you care what your vehicle does while you are sleeping? Or working. Or eating lunch. Or getting a haircut. Or visiting Disneyland.

 

[StephMavXLT]

I would not switch. Charging infrastructure would need to be better and prices need to come down. But it might be the next car we buy when the 2009 honda fit dies.

Also as others have mentioned price is important. I'm getting the maverick because it is one of the cheapest new cars that get great gas mileage and is reasonabley reliable. My previous cars are an 82 Buick skylark (free from the parents so no choice), a 1992 geo metro (3 cylinders, no A/C 30-40 mpg, $5000), a 1998 Chevy metro (3 cylinders, no A/C 30-40 mpg, $7000) and then a 2009 honda fit (A/C finally, and 35-40 mpg, $14K) and still going strong after 15 years and 200K miles. So as you can see price matters!

You say there are tax incentives. But this means I have to get a loan for an extra $7500 which I will have to pay for 3-5 years depending on the loan length. So the extra interest I have to pay can really eat into the savings from the $7500, I think it is even less now. So the incentive that is not a good deal does not help me want to buy an EV. Take it off the price of the vehicle and I am more likely to buy and PHEV or EV. Otherwise, they are too expensive for me right now.

I should amend this to say yes to prev and no to ev. Price is still key for the phev

 

[GPSMan]

I would not switch. Charging infrastructure would need to be better and prices need to come down. But it might be the next car we buy when the 2009 honda fit dies.

Also as others have mentioned price is important. I'm getting the maverick because it is one of the cheapest new cars that get great gas mileage and is reasonabley reliable. My previous cars are an 82 Buick skylark (free from the parents so no choice), a 1992 geo metro (3 cylinders, no A/C 30-40 mpg, $5000), a 1998 Chevy metro (3 cylinders, no A/C 30-40 mpg, $7000) and then a 2009 honda fit (A/C finally, and 35-40 mpg, $14K) and still going strong after 15 years and 200K miles. So as you can see price matters!

You say there are tax incentives. But this means I have to get a loan for an extra $7500 which I will have to pay for 3-5 years depending on the loan length. So the extra interest I have to pay can really eat into the savings from the $7500, I think it is even less now. So the incentive that is not a good deal does not help me want to buy an EV. Take it off the price of the vehicle and I am more likely to buy and PHEV or EV. Otherwise, they are too expensive for me right now.

When you LEASE the DEALER keeps the $7500 (or whatever) and takes it off the price of the lease. You can lease for as little at $3000 per year.

 

[StephMavXLT]

When you LEASE the DEALER keeps the $7500 (or whatever) and takes it off the price of the lease. You can lease for as little at $3000 per year.

Leases are not a good deal for me, I keep my cars for years after they are paid off so the cost of buying them is spread out over many years.

Steph

 

[AznMav]

PHEV AWD with 40 EV range is good enough for me. Prefer that to Bev as those can't tow or go up hills worth a damn. I can do my everyday and then do stuff that requires an ice engine on the weekends

 

[A_Turkey_Sammich]

All electric? Def not in this current time. Electricity rates going up fast, range too small tho nice to see 200+ being common now, lack of charging stations, time to recharge, etc. it’s just not ready for prime time.

PHEV…I think that is the sweet spot. Electric range usually enough to get thru a fair bit if not all daily around town stuff. Hybrid mode takes care of the long distance stuff. Then depending on electricity rates, gas prices, and the mpg they get…just like there are times it’s more cost effective to plug in and drive electric as much as you can, there have also been times it’s more cost effective to NOT plug in at all and drive straight hybrid. I think those really are the sweet spot for the time being and wish there were more of them both in attainability as far as cost/availability goes and in more makes/models.

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