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[Roll-Tech]

Some of you guys are confusing Hybrid and Ecoboost... Ecoboost is not hybrid just saying.

Yeah, what was wrong with the word "turbo"

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[abjbrtd]

Anybody think that the rescheduling and almost no hybrid builds till april has anything to do with the recently discovered cold start proble?

 

[jcnnjc]

Just got an email today that my build was MOVED UP from 3/7 to 2/21.
XLT Eco FWD with LUX package.

My EB was also moved up from 3/7 to 2/28

 

[davnau]

Wow, that was a long read alright, but well worth it. This is the kind of information that would be nice to hear from Ford. They certainly have the exact production numbers so far, along with their projection production numbers. So they could tell folks that barring supply issues, personnel sickness, and delivery problems that production should be approximately XXXX Ecoboost and XXXX Hybrid trucks per month. Trim level number would be dependent upon supply shortages. Then everyone could would hit up their dealer to find out what number they are in the line for orders, how many allocations they get per month and from the figure out roughly when they could expect to receive their Maverick. As it stands now, I know as much as my Magic will tell me and it keeps saying "outlook not good"

The constant changing of production dates makes it hard to estimate, but it is clear it's a moving target.

I think if Ford had the parts, 50% Hybrids would be right, or about 37,500 for MY 2022. With these latest delays, I think 30,000 will be more like it. Maybe even fewer than that. We'll see.

I think my real eye opener was realizing there are some dealers who will get NO Maverick Hybrids for this MY 2022, while, as we know from this forum, there are some dealers that will deliver Hybrids in the hundreds. Not saying it's bad that some dealers figured out how to make the allocation system work for them and their customers. The call today from my dealer looking to have me cancel, switch to 2.0 EB or just wait it out (which he tried to get me to budge from), along with others here posting similar calls today, shows me that those Ford dealers are just now coming to the realization that they will have little to sell and deliver to their customers, and are getting desperate to try to get their customers to change orders so they WILL have something to sell and deliver. You can't have revenue and profit if you don't have product to sell. If your supplier (Ford) will not ship to you, then...

I spent 20 years in enterprise computer systems sales (HP, DEC, Compaq) and we used to do the same kind of stuff all the time when there were parts shortages. And then "stuff the channel" when parts were plentiful and sales were down. Chip shortages are nothing new. Our resellers were always battling for product at those times. Automotive products, particularly electrified vehicles, are just a bunch of computer systems running things now. So, yes, this is all kinda new for the auto industry. But, when it comes to product allocation and sales, same O, same O, no matter the industry.

It's kinda like the deal with COVID - never let a crisis go to waste, to change things up. Ford is perhaps using these times to speed up the move to the new sales model. We are all guinea pigs for this new model. (The ROVP process was first used for 2022 Maverick orders at Ford.) The lot will no longer be a warehouse, except for used cars. Since Ford Credit will lose the new car floorplanning interest revenue, Ford will make it up with the elimination of rebates. The old "Buy a car, get a check!" introduced on the 1975 Super Bowl commercials (actually by Chrysler at the time. Remember Joe Garagiola as the pitchman?) will be gone.

Tesla has no rebates, nor do their customers get federal tax credits anymore. All cars are customer ordered. They just keep selling vehicles, with almost 1 million vehicles delivered for 2021, plus they are quite profitable. Their new Texas and Berlin plants are under construction. China is up and running. California has been up and running from the beginning (The old GM/Toyota Fremont, CA plant was and is their first Gigafactory.) Somehow, it seems to work for them. Maybe it will for Ford too, eventually. Will the huge new Ford $11.4B electrified vehicle complex under construction in Tennessee be their first "Gigafactory", to be known at Ford as BlueOval City? (See: https://media.ford.com/content/ford...lead-americas-shift-to-electric-vehicles.html).

And yeah, I think about this a lot. A luxury I have in retirement now. Helps to keep the mind sharp.

But, I still want my June ordered, still unscheduled, $19,995 Maverick XL Hybrid in Velocity Blue.

 

[zeketolliver]

Congrats to all who got their build dates!!! Don’t let my griping spoil your excitement!!!

 

[matt09ad]

im excited. I cant wait for mine. maybe ill take my boat out

 

[Captain]

The constant changing of production dates makes it hard to estimate, but it is clear it's a moving target.

I think if Ford had the parts, 50% Hybrids would be right, or about 37,500 for MY 2022. With these latest delays, I think 30,000 will be more like it. Maybe even fewer than that. We'll see.

I think my real eye opener was realizing there are some dealers who will get NO Maverick Hybrids for this MY 2022, while, as we know from this forum, there are some dealers that will deliver Hybrids in the hundreds. Not saying it's bad that some dealers figured out how to make the allocation system work for them and their customers. The call today from my dealer looking to have me cancel, switch to 2.0 EB or just wait it out (which he tried to get me to budge from), along with others here posting similar calls today, shows me that those Ford dealers are just now coming to the realization that they will have little to sell and deliver to their customers, and are getting desperate to try to get their customers to change orders so they WILL have something to sell and deliver. You can't have revenue and profit if you don't have product to sell. If your supplier (Ford) will not ship to you, then...

I spent 20 years in enterprise computer systems sales (HP, DEC, Compaq) and we used to do the same kind of stuff all the time when there were parts shortages. And then "stuff the channel" when parts were plentiful and sales were down. Chip shortages are nothing new. Our resellers were always battling for product at those times. Automotive products, particularly electrified vehicles, are just a bunch of computer systems running things now. So, yes, this is all kinda new for the auto industry. But, when is comes to product allocation and sales, same O, same O, no matter the industry.

It's kinda like the deal with COVID - never let a crisis go to waste, to change things up. Ford is perhaps using these times to speed up the move to the new sales model. We are all guinea pigs for this new model. (The ROVP process was first used for 2022 Maverick orders at Ford.) The lot will no longer be a warehouse, except for used cars. Since Ford Credit will lose the new car floorplanning interest revenue, Ford will make it up with the elimination of rebates. The old "Buy a car, get a check!" introduced on the 1975 Super Bowl commercials (actually by Chrysler at the time. Remember Joe Garagiola as the pitchman?) will be gone.

Tesla has no rebates, nor do their customers get federal tax credits anymore. All cars are customer ordered. They just keep selling vehicles, with almost 1 million vehicles delivered for 2021, plus they are quite profitable. Their new Texas and Berlin plants are under construction. China is up and running. California has been up and running from the beginning (The old GM/Toyota Fremont, CA plant was and is their first Gigafactory.) Somehow, it seems to work for them. Maybe it will Ford, too, eventually. Will the huge new Ford $11.4B electrified vehicle complex under construction in Tennessee be their first "Gigafactory", to be known at Ford as BlueOval City? (See: https://media.ford.com/content/ford...lead-americas-shift-to-electric-vehicles.html).

And yeah, I think about this a lot. A luxury I have in retirement now. Helps to keep the mind sharp.

But, I still want my June ordered $19,995 Maverick XL Hybrid in Velocity Blue.

Just understand that States like New Jersey do not allow direct sales from Manufacturers. Tesla had a hell of a time getting the okay to sell direct. Car Dealerships have a lot of money and a huge political lobby here. We still don’t pump our own gas at the station %

 

[davnau]

Just understand that States like New Jersey do not allow direct sales from Manufacturers. Tesla had a hell of a time getting the okay to sell direct. Car Dealerships have a lot of money and a huge political lobby here. We still don’t pump our own gas at the station %

That's fine.

You'll have to name a dealer, just like for Mavericks today. So, there will still be dealers, just no on the ground inventory. And a lot fewer dealers will cut costs for Ford. Tesla has only has a little over 160 stores in the US and they sell a lot of vehicles through those 160. Ford has around 3000, down from over 5000 in 2008.

Things are changing.

 

[MTMaverick]

It's the additional DIOs (Dealer installed options)... Looking at Reddit, seems like there were a good chunk of Hybrid Lariat Lux that got pushed back a WHOLE month and it looked like they all had DIOs; floor mats, covers, etc.. I also have a Hybrid Lariat Lux confirmed 7/28 and scheduled for 2/28, but no reschedule notice. I don't have any DIOs. My suspicion is that you're not getting scheduled because of those.

My Hybrid Lariat Lux got pushed back a month w/o any DIOs.

 

[Delzona]

The constant changing of production dates makes it hard to estimate, but it is clear it's a moving target.

I think if Ford had the parts, 50% Hybrids would be right, or about 37,500 for MY 2022. With these latest delays, I think 30,000 will be more like it. Maybe even fewer than that. We'll see.

I think my real eye opener was realizing there are some dealers who will get NO Maverick Hybrids for this MY 2022, while, as we know from this forum, there are some dealers that will deliver Hybrids in the hundreds. Not saying it's bad that some dealers figured out how to make the allocation system work for them and their customers. The call today from my dealer looking to have me cancel, switch to 2.0 EB or just wait it out (which he tried to get me to budge from), along with others here posting similar calls today, shows me that those Ford dealers are just now coming to the realization that they will have little to sell and deliver to their customers, and are getting desperate to try to get their customers to change orders so they WILL have something to sell and deliver. You can't have revenue and profit if you don't have product to sell. If your supplier (Ford) will not ship to you, then...

I spent 20 years in enterprise computer systems sales (HP, DEC, Compaq) and we used to do the same kind of stuff all the time when there were parts shortages. And then "stuff the channel" when parts were plentiful and sales were down. Chip shortages are nothing new. Our resellers were always battling for product at those times. Automotive products, particularly electrified vehicles, are just a bunch of computer systems running things now. So, yes, this is all kinda new for the auto industry. But, when is comes to product allocation and sales, same O, same O, no matter the industry.

It's kinda like the deal with COVID - never let a crisis go to waste, to change things up. Ford is perhaps using these times to speed up the move to the new sales model. We are all guinea pigs for this new model. (The ROVP process was first used for 2022 Maverick orders at Ford.) The lot will no longer be a warehouse, except for used cars. Since Ford Credit will lose the new car floorplanning interest revenue, Ford will make it up with the elimination of rebates. The old "Buy a car, get a check!" introduced on the 1975 Super Bowl commercials (actually by Chrysler at the time. Remember Joe Garagiola as the pitchman?) will be gone.

Tesla has no rebates, nor do their customers get federal tax credits anymore. All cars are customer ordered. They just keep selling vehicles, with almost 1 million vehicles delivered for 2021, plus they are quite profitable. Their new Texas and Berlin plants are under construction. China is up and running. California has been up and running from the beginning (The old GM/Toyota Fremont, CA plant was and is their first Gigafactory.) Somehow, it seems to work for them. Maybe it will Ford, too, eventually. Will the huge new Ford $11.4B electrified vehicle complex under construction in Tennessee be their first "Gigafactory", to be known at Ford as BlueOval City? (See: https://media.ford.com/content/ford...lead-americas-shift-to-electric-vehicles.html).

And yeah, I think about this a lot. A luxury I have in retirement now. Helps to keep the mind sharp.

But, I still want my June ordered $19,995 Maverick XL Hybrid in Velocity Blue.

Very interesting thoughts you have. I am concerned if what say turns out to be true about some dealerships not receiving a single hybrid for MY22! I really hope that Ford doesn't let that happen. I'm really hoping that Ford does an overhaul of their allocation system because it's certainly not fair for the smaller dealerships because they are going squeeze them out of business if they can't get delivery for customer's orders.
I was originally thinking that since I ordered from the only Ford dealership in Tucson, which I thought would get my hybrid sooner rather than later. Even after learning about dealershig allocations, which I didn't know about when I ordered, I still thought I was OK. Yet, it's been 6 months + and no build date yet.

 

[rosepedal99]

I've posted most of the following in another part of this forum, but it seems like it really belongs here. It has do mostly with Hybrid production numbers for the 2022 Maverick. I may be off, but I dont think by too much. We'll see as the year progresses. I think the estimate of 74,000-81,000 Mavericks to be produced posted earlier in this thread is right on the money. I'm estimating 75,000 total, with about 30,000 of those Maverick Hybrids, based on what Ford has published so far, and taking into account all the delays. It's a long post, so if you are at all impatient, that's OK, just move on:

I have a basic Maverick XL Hybrid on order with just a few options, all non-constrained. It was ordered with a deposit on June 15, 2021 and I got my email confirmation on June 17, 2021. Mine was the first Maverick for my dealer (near Akron, OH) and it took them a couple days to figure out how to get the order into Ford properly. Got my October email from Ford regarding the Hybrid delays with the promise for the FITS accessories once delivered. Also confirmed my order with Ford Customer Service in August, 2021. Dealer also confirms the wait for scheduling, with a call from them today saying there is an outside chance it may not get scheduled for MY2022. They wanted to know if I wanted to convert to the 2.0EB (since today was last order day), cancel, or go ahead and stick with the order as is. I am sticking with it and told them to let it ride. So, still good so far, just a very long wait. I don't expect to get a production scheduled email until maybe July/August 2022, if then. This dealer has only gotten a handful of 2.0 EB models delivered, and no Hybrids delivered yet.

I've wanted to try to extrapolate production figures for the Maverick for the 2022 model year for a while now, but until the December, 2021 figures were released, I was missing some information to try to do so. It's all but an educated guess based on this latest info, but production and sales of cars have been an interest of mine since the '70s. What can I say, I like numbers.

In looking at production so far, it's looking, to me, that about 75,000 Mavericks will be produced for the now extended 2022 model year. Some relatively small number will be Canada/other non-US trucks. Per a previous posting on this forum, it looks like 2022 Mavericks will be produced until about October 7, 2022 or so, an extension by about two months over what was previously expected. The 2023 Maverick production is now scheduled for week of October 24, 2022. (All subject to change, of course.) SInce Ford has consistently said at best about 40% of production will be Hybrids, that means a split of 30,000 Hybrids and 45,000 2.0 EB drivetrains. To me, that makes sense given all the chip shortages, particularly affecting Ford electrified vehicles, and given what has been produced and sold so far. For example, only 27,140 Mustang Mach-E vehicles were sold in 2021..

Ford had no real incentive to produce a lot Hybrids after the EPA certification delay was announced. It made sense to produce some, so the Hermosillo plant workforce kept up on how to produce them, but for revenue, it made perfect sense to focus on what you could sell and thus book for revenue, which was the 2.0 EB trucks. That's why only 2,165 Maverick Hybrids were sold for 2021, with six for November and the rest for December.

So, assuming all this, I extrapolated, given the 2,165 Hybrids delivered and thus sold in 2021. I expect that for the 12 months from December, 2021 (including the negligible six from November in the December totals) through November, 2022, there will be at best about 2,500 Hybrids sold per month, on average. That adds up to my estimate of 30,000 Hybrid Mavericks and thus 75,000 total Mavericks for the model year. (The other 45,000 will be the 2.0 EB trucks.) I really doubt Ford will hit anywhere near 100,000 total produced, as Ford production has been down about 20% for 2021 where there is a hybrid option (like the Ford Escape and Lincoln Corsair), and the chip shortage is not really expected to start to ease much until late in 2022.

That means, in reality, there have been very few Hybrids delivered so far out of that 30,000, and explains why so many Hybrid trucks are not scheduled for production yet. XLT and Lariat Hybrid trucks will likely continue to get priority for those that are scheduled, to try to maximize profit in these constrained times. Not my favorite of circumstances, but this is consistent with Ford extending the model year to get 2022 orders produced and also Jim Farley's recent comments to the press. (Note: I expect only about 3,000 base-model $19,995 XL Hybrids like mine will be produced for 2022, since overall the XL is only around 10% of production, per both Ford and as reported on this forum. Given there are about 3,000 Ford dealers in the US, and some hybrid trucks will go outside the US, less than one 2022 XL Maverick Hybrid will be delivered per dealer, on average. So, there will be quite a number of dealers who will not see ANY Hybrid XL trucks delivered for 2022.) It's clear to me that Ford really wants to try to keep it's commitment to all those who ordered a truck sight unseen, but is having real trouble doing so. I'm also thinking that Ford cut off the 2022 Hybrid orders in November, 2021 , because it hit my estimated 30,000 order limit, given the expected number of parts to be available for them, and thus means there may well be a number of Hybrid orders from smaller dealers and some from larger dealers that could well roll over to MY 2023. As the order banks were open for the MY 2022 Maverick Hybrid for just over 5 months, that means at least 6,000 Hybrids were ordered per month, on average. This also makes sense to me, since we know per this forum at least, that the order rate up till then was at least 60% or so for Hybrids, not the 40% originally expected, and might be a bit higher. Hybrid orders are thus front-loaded.

On production in general, Ford is having a tough time making enough electrified vehicles. My son has ordered a 2021 PHEV Escape, also in June, 2021. When it was rolled over to the 2022 model year, the order was amended with a new color choice (the original color chosen was no longer available for 2022) and it just recently got scheduled for February 7, 2022 production. (Different dealer than me.) He has also just ordered a 2022 Mustang Mach-E, which may well roll into 2023. He really wants them for his family, but has been stuck waiting, just like so many of us.

So, I'm frustrated I don't have my truck, but at the same time, I get it. As of December 31, 2021, only 2,165 of my estimated 30,000 2022 Hybrid trucks ordered have been delivered, and thus sold. That's just over 7%, so almost 93% are yet to be delivered. Given the trickle of parts, I doubt there will be few months where more than 2,500 Hybrids will be produced, and it will take until early October, 2022 (and likely a bit longer) to get them all produced, Yes, I may be off, but I don't think by too much.

Full disclosure: I am retired from 40 years in IT, and have never worked for Ford or any Ford supplier or dealership. The auto industry and cars in general are a hobby of mine, along with classic recreational boats. My Maverick will be used to tow my three boats, all under 2000 pounds rigged, and I was very excited when Ford formally announced the Maverick on June 8, 2021. In my life so far at my retired age of 69, I have owned 37 cars and trucks, with 13 of them Fords, the rest a variety of makes and models. I am selling a 1997 Toyota Paseo convertible (Toyota Tercel-based) and a 2013 Volvo C70 retractable hardtop convertible (loosely Ford Focus-based) to pay for my Maverick XL Hybrid. (The Volvo C70 was one of those rare convertibles rated to tow 2000 lbs.) Will keep my 1973 Ford Mustang convertible with a 250 six and C4 transmission. (I'm into smooth and quiet, not fast and loud. The Maverick Hybrid is perfect.). In realty, I realize I will be lucky to get it by Labor Day, and maybe not until Thanksgiving, 2022, or even later if rolled to MY 2023.

That's the reality of the production today of any electrified vehicle. Even Teslas can take any number of months, depending on the model, and they have been doing it for over 10 years. (Elon Musk just announced that Cybertruck production is now delayed until calendar 2023.) Ford F-150 Lightning truck production will ramp up slowly and will likely take at 2-3 years to fill all orders placed already. (In all cases, do not confuse reservations with orders. The reservation system is nothing more than a lead generation system for dealers, plus it serves as another way for Ford Marketing to gauge interest in new models.) Mustang Mach-E vehicles will continue to slowly ramp up through 2022-2023, and PHEV Ford Escapes and Lincoln Corsairs will also be in very short supply against demand for a couple of years. I consider myself lucky that I ordered my Maverick when I did, and will be very surprised if I don't eventually see my truck. Yeah, it's a long time, but I need to be patient. At least I'm getting it for the $19,995, plus destination, options, doc fees, and sales tax. About $24,000 out the door, and maybe a little less with my Farm Bureau $500 coupon. A true bargain in my opinion for a quite capable truck in today's crazy world. Are there more capable trucks out there? Of course. But, for a retired guy like me, the key question to answer is this: Is a 2022 Maverick XL Hybrid enough truck, at a great price? For ME, the answer is a resounding YES.

So, I wait, wait, and wait some more.

Need to watch the Long McArthur Facebook video posted tonight he released a lot of numbers for March, April and May which conflict a little with your thoughts. Also went into the constraints listed percentages of parts Ford had and percents of what was ordered, painting a better picture of reasoning why some have been scheduled and some have not. One of the most informative ones I have seen to date.

 

[mcc63303]

Ordered XL Hybrid on July 23rd, Co-Pilot360, hitch and SIBL, nothing else. Got email on Dec 9th with VIN and build date week of Feb 7th. Was at dealer on Tues of this week (1/25) and salesman checked and said showed build date week of Feb 21 (two week delay). I haven't gotten any email notice from Ford with that info. It will get here when it gets here. It's the time were in now, Not Fords fault, global problem with workers, production and transportation issues.

 

[19redsox67]

What was your original order date? Same build as mine.

1/10/22

 

[potatosalad]

Also received the email that pushed production from 3/14/21 to 4/11/21

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