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Now at 51k miles, waiting for codes to be read, but CEL and Service Engine warning lights illuminated with limp down highway to out of state dealer.

Wife says dump it. I hate giving up a paid off vehicle before the factory warranty has even run out, but even I don't trust it anymore.
How do you have a vehicle with 51K on the clock that is still under the 3 year/36K factory warranty?
Edit: Answer: You don't - It still has the 5 year 60K powertrain warranty. :blush: Oops. :blush:
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It will likely get far worse. The boomers are dying off or heading into nursing homes.

The Gen X’ers are retiring,
That leaves us with the woke sheep, they are about as useful as hen shit on a pump handle.

In ten years you won’t be able to get anything fixed correctly.
I agree. That goes for many specialty type jobs. I spent 28 years at my job (911 operator/emergency dispatcher) and the day I retired the center was 2 full-time positions short. One being mine, the other happened a few months earlier. Fast forward 4 years and after hiring 12-13 people to fill those two positions (all 30 and under) they are still 2 full-time positions short because the younger people couldn't grasp the job and were fired during training or many quit because they didn't like working nights or weekends or holidays.

Cracks me up as I keep seeing"we are hiring"posts on their Facebook page. I text an old co-worker and say "again?". She laughs and says "yep. We can't get anyone that wants to do the job"

Granted it's a difficult job. Not easy answering phones with people screaming their loved one is dying and you have to calm them down and get them to follow your instructions to help. Usually you just get, just send somebody that knows what they're doing I don't know how to do it.
 

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I agree. That goes for many specialty type jobs. I spent 28 years at my job (911 operator/emergency dispatcher) and the day I retired the center was 2 full-time positions short. One being mine, the other happened a few months earlier. Fast forward 4 years and after hiring 12-13 people to fill those two positions (all 30 and under) they are still 2 full-time positions short because the younger people couldn't grasp the job and were fired during training or many quit because they didn't like working nights or weekends or holidays.

Cracks me up as I keep seeing"we are hiring"posts on their Facebook page. I text an old co-worker and say "again?". She laughs and says "yep. We can't get anyone that wants to do the job"

Granted it's a difficult job. Not easy answering phones with people screaming their loved one is dying and you have to calm them down and get them to follow your instructions to help. Usually you just get, just send somebody that knows what they're doing I don't know how to do it.
I work EMS and run into ex-dispatchers frequently. They usually cite not being able to support their family as a dispatcher as the reason for leaving.

Supply and demand is king. If you can't get anyone to work at the job for the pay offered, you need to offer more for it. I bet if you doubled the pay there would magically be no shortage of competent people available.
 

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But when the hybrids starter goes out you have to get the whole trans changed! =$4-6K?
That big traction motor/generator is way understressed as a starter and has no solenoid. I can see it lasting a very long time. Much longer than a conventional starter.
 

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But when the hybrids starter goes out you have to get the whole trans changed! =$4-6K?
Hybrid warranty. But, that part will probably outlast everything else.
 

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Tuition, housing, vehicles, and medical have all vastly outpaced general inflation. It costs more to get training to earn more later. Having a roof over your head eats into more of your earnings now. Even used cars are pricey but you typically see employers require reliable transportation to hire. A single hospital stay can wipe out years of savings or force bankruptcy.

Kids today are playing on hard mode.
I hear what you saying and respect other opinions, don't get me wrong, there's a lot of hard working young folk out there that deserve a lot of respect, there is a lot on their shoulders, and then there's a lot that have no motivation, work ethic, etc. and play the poor pitiful me. It's all been handed to them while they played video games, decided spend stupid money on a degree in college that there's no future in, so can't get a job and want their tuition written off and want seasoned employees pay to start working. Sorry, it just pisses me off. End of the day, what I was referring to previously is it wasn't a piece of cake ride their parents/grandparents had. It was tough back then also, mortgage rates were from 12 - 18%, oil crisis hit gas prices were out the roof and limited supply. Heck, I worked a second job as a paramedic with the local fire dept so the wife and 2 kids and I could get by. I do totally agree with you on the education and medical, it's just flat stupidly out of control and needs to be fixed.
 

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imo, no, they want the same salary level in life their parents made at the end of their career and retirement after working 40 years to get there and think they should start out at the level in life of their parents after a long career and even higher. They don't know nor want to know the work effort, penny saving they went through to get there. I started work in 1970, $1.30 an hour, decent job, there were better and worse paying, the average home was $30K -/+ a little, gas was 30-40 cents a gallon. That first 20 years, we lived pay check to paycheck. So do I have much sympathy for todays winer's, no. Has todays average pay kept up with todays inflation point, no not at all, but I wouldn't call it critically behind. Regardless, imo, a part of the problem is the mindset of wanting to start out living at high end liquor level vs beer level. just my 2 cents, some will disagree, some with agree, and that's all well and good, I have no problem with that.
similar to you my first job was $1.20 an hour...muddled thru some other casual jobs while going to college - the largest per hour was about $3. Got my IT degree and got hired at a blue chip company - even then back in the late 70s my annual salary was about $13k ($58K today) which came out to about $6 an hour. Yep - it's a long road thru life and nothing just drops in your lap, I think the youngsters look at what boomers have and don't
I hear what you saying and respect other opinions, don't get me wrong, there's a lot of hard working young folk out there that deserve a lot of respect, there is a lot on their shoulders, and then there's a lot that have no motivation, work ethic, etc. and play the poor pitiful me. It's all been handed to them while they played video games, decided spend stupid money on a degree in college that there's no future in, so can't get a job and want their tuition written off and want seasoned employees pay to start working. Sorry, it just pisses me off. End of the day, what I was referring to previously is it wasn't a piece of cake ride their parents/grandparents had. It was tough back then also, mortgage rates were from 12 - 18%, oil crisis hit gas prices were out the roof and limited supply. Heck, I worked a second job as a paramedic with the local fire dept so the wife and 2 kids and I could get by. I do totally agree with you on the education and medical, it's just flat stupidly out of control and needs to be fixed.
part of the problem is that the 'youth' talk among themselves about how perceivably 'easy' old generations had it and it's typically not based on a thorough knowledge of those old days but more about some anecdotal situations where yeah some persons did have it easy and made money hand over fist - the exceptions. It's not until you sit down with them and describe how a lot of jobs back then were manual labor jobs or industrial and that they took a daily toll on workers and trying to make it on a one income family which actually resulted in a closer family relationship that they start to 'get it'. When they hear that they were buying $40-50K houses back then they just stare at you until you inform that that 40 or 50 back then is about $400 k now. They're also not good at math and finances. Add it all up and you get a lot of misconceptions but in that they are more heavily influenced by their peers a lot of what you try to educate them with goes in one ear and out the other. But like you say there are plenty of them that are doing just fine so that's a plus
 

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Suddenly it all makes sense.. ;)
Good thing the OP didn't have infotainment system problems...
or the couple of items we would all consider to be in the drivetrain - but Ford would say isn't really, and in their exemptions list.
 
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Good point. Anything that makes the car inoperable (as opposed to inconvenient) should be applicable, but isn't.
I'm thinking about an extended warranty at some point, but I imagine there could be "caveats to coverage" beyond normal wear items with the Ford or Granger extended warranties as well.
 

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I hear what you saying and respect other opinions, don't get me wrong, there's a lot of hard working young folk out there that deserve a lot of respect, there is a lot on their shoulders, and then there's a lot that have no motivation, work ethic, etc. and play the poor pitiful me. It's all been handed to them while they played video games, decided spend stupid money on a degree in college that there's no future in, so can't get a job and want their tuition written off and want seasoned employees pay to start working. Sorry, it just pisses me off. End of the day, what I was referring to previously is it wasn't a piece of cake ride their parents/grandparents had. It was tough back then also, mortgage rates were from 12 - 18%, oil crisis hit gas prices were out the roof and limited supply. Heck, I worked a second job as a paramedic with the local fire dept so the wife and 2 kids and I could get by. I do totally agree with you on the education and medical, it's just flat stupidly out of control and needs to be fixed.
Most of that comes from never being challenged during early years. Lack of drive, lack of ingenuity, lack of want to, fear of trying something new and have a creative out look. When I was a kid we were left all day without supervision and help. We learned by error, practice and creative thinking. No Google, youtube or AI.
 

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similar to you my first job was $1.20 an hour...muddled thru some other casual jobs while going to college - the largest per hour was about $3. Got my IT degree and got hired at a blue chip company - even then back in the late 70s my annual salary was about $13k ($58K today) which came out to about $6 an hour. Yep - it's a long road thru life and nothing just drops in your lap, I think the youngsters look at what boomers have and don't

part of the problem is that the 'youth' talk among themselves about how perceivably 'easy' old generations had it and it's typically not based on a thorough knowledge of those old days but more about some anecdotal situations where yeah some persons did have it easy and made money hand over fist - the exceptions. It's not until you sit down with them and describe how a lot of jobs back then were manual labor jobs or industrial and that they took a daily toll on workers and trying to make it on a one income family which actually resulted in a closer family relationship that they start to 'get it'. When they hear that they were buying $40-50K houses back then they just stare at you until you inform that that 40 or 50 back then is about $400 k now. They're also not good at math and finances. Add it all up and you get a lot of misconceptions but in that they are more heavily influenced by their peers a lot of what you try to educate them with goes in one ear and out the other. But like you say there are plenty of them that are doing just fine so that's a plus
Part of the problems caused by the "Everybody gets a participation Trophy" thinking.
 
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Good point. Anything that makes the car inoperable (as opposed to inconvenient) should be applicable, but isn't.
I'm thinking about an extended warranty at some point, but I imagine there could be "caveats to coverage" beyond normal wear items with the Ford or Granger extended warranties as well.
Granger only sells the Ford Warranty, there's not a separate Granger warranty. I bought it from them and one month after my 36 mo the battery died - I took it in to the dealer to just get a new battery (didn't feel like doing it myself) and they replaced the battery with a new AGM , did some additional calibrations and all I had to do was pay the $100 deductible. If you're seriously considering the extended don't don't wait too long - the price goes up 2x a year usually by 5-10% each time, you don't gain anything my waiting to buy it - it only kicks in after the factory warranty is up.
 

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Maybe the old adage never buy a vehicle in it's its first year may have played a part here. I've always felt the Mav Hybrid is a great vehicle, just didn't fit my needs as well as the Eco.
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