Endless repeated Hybrid failures have finally broken me

[MakinDoForNow]

There is no coupling or damper clutch.

Inside of the transmission, there’s 1) a traction motor, that uses electricity to make torque to create forward movement and there is 2) a generator motor that creates drag on the planetary carrier in the transmission to change the gear ratio of the continuously variable transmission, thereby generating electricity that gets sent to the high voltage battery, the traction motor, or both, depending on what the BMS tells it to do. And 3) a planetary gear set that serves as the continuously variable transmission. As you can see from diagrams below, there are multiple combinations of where you send engine power and what gear is connected to the traction motor and what gear is attached to the generator motor. iirc, the Maverick has the generator attached to the planetary carrier.

If the generator motor, is freewheeling, the planetary carrier is also freewheeling, which means there is no power being sent from sun gear to ring gear and the truck will set at a stop. When you want to go forward and give it some throttle, the engine will rev up and the generator motor starts generating electricity, which creates drag on the planetary carrier, which slows it down, which increases the gear ratio of the transmission, to go faster and faster. So let’s say your engine is making 50 hp and the generator motor is using 20 hp of that output. That will result in 30 hp going though the transmission epicyclic gears: sun gear, planetary gears, planetary carrier, ring gear and out of the transmissions at the output shaft. The other 20 hp of generator drag that is being used to change the gear ratio of the transmission is simultaneously getting converted into electricity, which then drives the traction motor, which is also attached to the output shaft of the transmission.

So when you describe the engine freely revving and the truck barely moving, that sounds like the generator motor, or it’s associated electronics, has failed and it is not making much drag on the planetary carrier, which means the the planetary is nearly freewheeling, which means there is minimal power from the gas engine getting from the sun gear to the ring gear to drive the transmission output.

There is no coupling or damper clutch.

Found this

ETA: Apparently a few have had the springs get loose and rattle. The is to dampen any surges when the ice starts, stops, or when planets are not quite synced?

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[Bobby Chapman]

AI update on warrenty for Hybrids

 

[notfast]

Should a 2025 vehicle have any issue with it?
A 2025 Maverick hybrid should have all the updates and all the recalls. as well as any part changes that failed under the first series run 2022-2024

Hopefully not, but anyone with a high-mileage '25 is probably too busy driving to be a member here. It's also partly why I try to wait until the mid-cycle refresh to buy a vehicle, particularly a Ford. Most of the kinks get worked out and features that had to be engineered out to make the vehicle's debut timeline can be added in.

What he said.
"Some vehicles are just lemons unfortunately. Dump it and move on from the frustration"

I had a 2018 Explorer. It had the water pump built into the engine. No more just bolt on a new one -- pull the engine and rebuild. Costs like $3k to fix. There was a class action lawsuit over it. Judge in Detroit said it's not a lemon, just poor engineering!

Ah, good ole Ford Cyclone V6's. Pretty robust overall, but the Achille's heel is the water pump driven by the timing chain, at least in transverse installations. My 2013 Ford Edge didn't have a water pump issue (changing the coolant every 60,000 miles hopefully did something) until it was totaled at 171,000 miles due to a relatively minor T-bone collision that didn't even deploy the airbags.

Those Ford CD3 platform vehicles also have issues with the PTU that drives the rear wheels for the 4WD/AWD variants. Whoever thought it was a great idea to have a PTU that only holds one pint of fluid and is within an inch of the exhaust pipe clearly wasn't thinking about adverse affects, or got overruled.

 

[Connect]

This truck had no operational issues before 41425 miles.

All of the repairs so far have fallen under the factory 60k powertrain, or 100k? hybrid warranty. I have a PremiumCare extended warranty that we haven't even tapped yet, and each time it gets fixed, I resolve to see it thru to the end of that. But maybe not this time.

That's a little scary since I just rolled 40K this am on my 23 Hybrid. So far it has been great no issues other than the brakes being a little funky and the AC had made a funny noise in EV only a couple of times but that has been a while back and it wasn't consistent so I haven't had it looked it.

I've got the premium care extended as well so I should be covered for a while if I start having issues but I would probably have a similar thought to you if I was having that many issues even though under warranty

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

Found this

ETA: Apparently a few have had the springs get loose and rattle. The is to dampen any surges when the ice starts, stops, or when planets are not quite synced?

Wow. A $99 part? I'm impressed at the low cost. Too bad it takes 16 hours of labor at $165/hr to change it.

 

[mr mojo risen]

My 2024 Ecoboost has been flawless so far.
The several 2025 Hybrid owners I talk to have not had a single problem.

Same with my 2023 EcoBoost, apart from my dissatisfaction with the SYNC3 system.

The 2022 Hybrids have unfortunately been disproportionately affected by reliability issues compared to the rest of the Maverick population.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Wow. A $99 part? I'm impressed at the low cost. Too bad it takes 16 hours of labor at $165/hr to change it.

That's from a wrecking yard used. But most likely $300 or so new. I saw online one being replaced on a 2.5 Toyota hybrid. It had some rivets that became loose and the springs were rattling. It had more rivets in places that don't show on the ford. Maybe Ford has upgraded the one in Maverick. Both had four springs. The d*** fee for shop wipes on the replacement labor would cost more than $99.
ETA: Shows to be currently unavailable. maybe high demand???

 

[skadizzle]

Mine has had a lot of issues over the 2 1/2 years I've owned it. The biggest problem was water getting into the cabin and had soaked the floor mats and started getting moldy. It ended up being the evaporator. I've started noticing water on the floor mats and think it's happening again.

 

[Feldgary53]

My 2023 hybrid has been flawless mechanically since new with only issue being the constant battery saver mode now resolved-after I replaced the original with AGM and set SOC to 100% with ForScan. I’m agreeing with your wife about replacing it as it seems to be such a hassle for you.

 

[Dr. No]

Happened here too, with a '22 then a '23. Fool me once.....

 

[Cherokee]

10,000 flawless miles on my 2024 Lariat.

 

[jdiaz]

One month in, and no end in sight. I'm already on my second loaner car.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

Yet I'm at 50,000 miles with about 10,000 of those towing.

So ya just never know...

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Yet I'm at 50,000 miles with about 10,000 of those towing.

So ya just never know...

Hmmmmm! Being towed in about 20% of miles

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