Who needs a hybrid anyways?!

[stoptothink]

Most of the comparisons are with EVs but since hybrids are somewhere "in between" I would guess the lifetime emissions would similarly land in the middle of the two.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/0...ower-life-cycle-emissions-new-study-confirms/

That's a little tangential from my point, and as someone who publishes scientific research for a living, I have a difficult time accepting a white paper from an organization called the International Council on Clean Transportation as gospel on this topic. That's not to say that it is necessarily wrong or I trust other data.

There are many reasons why EVs are being pushed and I have a difficult time believing that the environment is even among the top handful of those reasons. And I do drive a hybrid, will likely buy an EV for our next vehicle, and my family is extremely conscientious of our consumption of energy (and "stuff" in general).

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[Montana]

I do. I commute 80 miles a day in the WNC mountains. My '14 Volt usually made it eaxh way charging at each end, but being an orphan car I can no longer get dealer support. Knowing it would die and stay dead I needed something that got better mileage than my '07 Tacoma.

I am getting 47mpg on my commute (less than 2 gallons a day). That is better than the 27mpg the Tacoma gets. Whe. I cruise around in North Georgia I get 50mpg+.

I want this to be the last vehicle I ever buy. Fingers crossed.

What engine in the Tacoma, drivetrain and body exactly? I'm guessing 2WD with the 4 cylinder?

 

[sprubs]

That's a little tangential from my point, and as someone who publishes scientific research for a living, I have a difficult time accepting a white paper from an organization called the International Council on Clean Transportation as gospel on this topic. That's not to say that it is necessarily wrong or I trust other data.

There are many reasons why EVs are being pushed and I have a difficult time believing that the environment is even among the top handful of those reasons. And I do drive a hybrid, will likely buy an EV for our next vehicle, and my family is extremely conscientious of our consumption of energy (and "stuff" in general).

I've seen similar reports from other sources. it makes a lot of sense that when a good portion of your electricity is generated from renewables and nuclear or at least at a centralized location where emission controls are easier that it's going to be better.

since hybrids have a relatively small battery the up front "cost" of that battery isn't going to be nearly as high as it would be for an EV. after that it's savings in the form of better MPGs.

here is another one: https://www.iea.org/data-and-statis...s-emissions-of-a-mid-size-bev-and-ice-vehicle

if you check out the article that chart came from you'll see they are not shying away from the resources needed to create an EV.

 

[Atlee]

If I were ordering a new Maverick tomorrow, I would give strong consideration to a hybrid simply because it is flat towable behind a motorhome. I would like to have that option available.

If not for thr flat towing, I'd get the 2.0EB.

 

[Ford Maverick Maniac]

Exactly. I just ordered a 24 with AWD. Between the recalls and issues with the hybrid, plus the price increase, it wasn’t worth it. $1,500 more for turbo power plus AWD was an easy decision.

I agree Michael! I own one of each I show in my videos and my word for the hybrid is PRACTICAL. My word for the turbo AWD is FUN!

We only have the stock Conti tires on our Mav AWD but even with this huge snow year in Park City, we never had to put chains on and we never got stopped at chain control.

 

[Dignam]

Its funny, us Hybrid people aren’t jealous of the other power plant option as some of you EB people seem to be.

If all Ford offered was an EB, and never offered a hybrid, I probably would have bought one and been very happy. It would still be a smaller truck than anything else and would get much better mpg than the mid sized trucks.

Can’t understand why some of you don’t seem satisfied with yours, and, are so dissatisfied with our hybrids.

Of course, when gas price and availability becomes a problem, the bragging rights will be completely one sided.

But until then….

Oh brother...The forum psychologist has checked in.

I bet the vast majority on here bought the configuration they want. Hybrids are cool. The EB is cool. For some, fuel cost isn't really a factor, so it comes down to other factors like having AWD or higher towing capacity. For some, they need every MPG they can get (maybe lots of city driving). It has nothing to do with "jealousy" or being dissatisfied lol...

Again, I think hybrids are awesome and probably the future for most vehicles. I still bought the configuration I wanted.

 

[K5Blazer]

Again, I think hybrids are awesome and probably the future for most vehicles. I still bought the configuration I wanted.

Thank you for quoting me.
I hate repeating myself in the same post.

 

[Dignam]

Thank you for quoting me.
I hate repeating myself in the same post.

You're welcome.

 

[tada-no-hito]

I went with the hybrid because my commute is 15 miles of mostly city and suburban streets with a 6 mile freeway in the middle, and front-wheel drive can handle winters here with good snow tires. What surprised me (but shouldn't have) is how much the hybrid likes mountain roads - I was in West Virginia and south central PA on vacation, and still got around 40 MPG. The hybrid powertrain recovers all that energy that usually burns off the brakes.

 

[Kingfish]

That's hardly a settled debate. Despite what the UN, WEF, Greta, and the mainstream media will tell you, there isn't scientific consensus regarding the effects of increasing carbon dioxide emissions on the environment overall. Certainly increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere isn't a positive thing, but it's not entirely clear how bad it is.

I am all about being a good steward of the environment, which starts with using as little (of anything) as you need (unlike most of the climate alarmist hypocrites), but we simply don't know all that much about this stuff.

I'm more of a climate and pollution realist like you.

I chose a hybrid after reading several reports like the ones referenced in the article below.

https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/are...found that, on,vehicle created just 200 grams.

TLDR; there are a bunch of variables, but EVs and hybrids almost always generate fewer greenhouse gasses than ICE vehicles over the course of their life.

Not every study agrees (they rarely do), but enough important ones are in agreement.

Of course, if you smash up your Tesla In year 2, it's a net negative.

It's also good to remember that most grid power will probably be less harmful in 5 years, where gasoline won't change as much as far as I understand.

All that said, the EB is already leaps better than most trucks. So if I have to buy a Maverick in 3 years and Ford wants to charge a 3k premium, I'll buy an EB. The delta mpg isn't THAT much.

 

[stoptothink]

We only have the stock Conti tires on our Mav AWD but even with this huge snow year in Park City, we never had to put chains on and we never got stopped at chain control.

We're down Provo Canyon from Park City, but experienced the same. With record snow this year, we primarily drove our jetta (with Blizzaks) this last winter, but the Maverick hybrid on the stock continentals was completely fine when we did use it. If it will be our primary winter vehicle in the future, we'll get some snow tires for Maverick too.

In 15+ years of living in the Utah mountains, who knows how many hundreds of mountain adventures in the dead of winter (primarily snowshoeing), we've never had a single issue with FWD vehicles on snow tires. With a little more ground clearance and slippery mode, I expect the Maverick will be just as good (if not better) than our experience with other vehicles.

 

[son of a ..sven]

Carbon dioxide is one thing, the thousands of chemicals burned and released into the air is a whole other discussion, along with spillage. We use nearly as much electricity refining gasoline than the energy used from it. Never mind exploration, drilling, pumping, transporting, and storing. Simple reason why hybrids always get better efficiency because it’s a very low starting point.

"climate alarmist hypocrites"
so what is the definition of that anyway.....

 

[gwrace14651]

Hot summer trip from Chicago to Wisconsin with about 300 pounds of tools. ‘22 XL Ecoboost FWD

Has nothing to do with mileage. It's the only Mav drive train that can be flat towed behind a motorhome. Otherwise we would have bought the FX4 AWD.

 

[BradnChristine]

Has nothing to do with mileage. It's the only Mav drive train that can be flat towed behind a motorhome. Otherwise we would have bought the FX4 AWD.

Yup.
Flat-Towable and weighs under 4000 lbs so pretty much ANY motorhome can tow it...and serves as a 4-person hauler, grocery getter, dog carrier, yard or construction supply hauler, trash hauler, etc. that just happens to get phenomenal mileage.

 

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