S&B intake installed. What a difference

[Tbone289]

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[OleFordGuy]

I only get 15 MPG local city driving. Whats with that???

Ugh maybe your foot, driving style ??? Just kidding, no idea fella.

 

[Phimosis]

AI spellcheck. If the spelling is not an exact match, it looks at the most common combination of keystrokes to come up with replacement words. Apparently my intended vocabulary was the less popular option.

 

[Sled]

the intercooler is not actually that inefficient, plus heat soak happens when you're sitting still, not moving. on a highway an aftermarket intercooler won't help an otherwise stock maverick at all.

the performance barrier is the fact that it's factory tuned to be able to survive on 87 octane. if you use a reflash device with a tune optimized for 93 (which then couldn't use 87, of course) you'll gain at least 40 horsepower over stock.

Ford wanted to sell a truck that works on 87. but the factory intake and intercooler are hardly limiting.

This is interesting, Im used to running 87 in the old F150... I manage our fleet and gas program, and always understood that for the average engine, 87 is fine.
For a high performance engine, you should use the higher octane. As this is a little turbo 4 i assumed 93 was best in my 3 fillups so far lol (just hit 675 miles)
but yr saying its tuned for 87, so is there any reason to use 93?

I was always telling our drivers "use 87 its cheaper and for your trucks 93 is a waste of money"...

 

[Phimosis]

This is interesting, Im used to running 87 in the old F150... I manage our fleet and gas program, and always understood that for the average engine, 87 is fine.
For a high performance engine, you should use the higher octane. As this is a little turbo 4 i assumed 93 was best in my 3 fillups so far lol (just hit 675 miles)
but yr saying its tuned for 87, so is there any reason to use 93?

I was always telling our drivers "use 87 its cheaper and for your trucks 93 is a waste of money"...

Your profile says you’re in California. You can’t get 93 octane in Cali unless you go to a specialty station that carries VP racing gas and E85 and whatnot. In Cali, you get 87, 89 and 91. So a 93 octane tune in Cali is no-go.

And in general, manufacturers tune their mundane people movers for 87 octane because that is the lowest grade for all states except for a few in the Rockies that have 85 octane. And then they tune their sports cars and performance SUV’s for 91 octane and put a label on them telling you to use 91, because 91 is the highest you can reliably get in all 50 states. But if you live in an area that sells 93, then yeah, get a 93 tune because when tuned correctly, an engine will gain 5% power going from 87 to 91 and another 5% going from 91 to 93.

In theory, a 4 octane jump from 87 to 91 should see better results than a jump from 91 to 93, but 91 octane tunes are usually OEM and they tend to be conservative and safe, where an aftermarket tuner making a 93 octane tune tends to squeeze everything out of it that they can.

 

[Blinky]

So what wrong with my Maverick?

Put thumbtacks in your right shoe, I'll bet there's nothing wrong with the truck.

 

[jb_cb900]

I have one on my 23 Lariat. Combined with a flowmaster FX exhaust which is not loud gives me the ability to get over 45mpg on a ecoboost truck. On a couple of trips on I35 this is what the mpg monitor showed. Trio is 42 miles each way. One was going the other returning.

You said these 2 avg fuel mileage values were from a 40 mile trip each way, but your odometer only indicates 2.1 miles travel between these 2 pictures.?
30653mi and 30655.

 

[Sled]

Your profile says you’re in California. You can’t get 93 octane in Cali unless you go to a specialty station that carries VP racing gas and E85 and whatnot. In Cali, you get 87, 89 and 91. So a 93 octane tune in Cali is no-go.

And in general, manufacturers tune their mundane people movers for 87 octane because that is the lowest grade for all states except for a few in the Rockies that have 85 octane. And then they tune their sports cars and performance SUV’s for 91 octane and put a label on them telling you to use 91, because 91 is the highest you can reliably get in all 50 states. But if you live in an area that sells 93, then yeah, get a 93 tune because when tuned correctly, an engine will gain 5% power going from 87 to 91 and another 5% going from 91 to 93.

In theory, a 4 octane jump from 87 to 91 should see better results than a jump from 91 to 93, but 91 octane tunes are usually OEM and they tend to be conservative and safe, where an aftermarket tuner making a 93 octane tune tends to squeeze everything out of it that they can.

I misspoke meaning 91 vs 93 I was primarily referring to low vs high octane use for standard vehicles. Had no questions on why mfgs tune for the national avg. but thanks for the detail.

When i start messin' with the power in this thing i'll look into a '91 octane tune ;-)

Never seen VP 93 lol but.. its been a while since i had a need for high octane. When I was playing with superchargers, nitrous, & running a boosted Lexus at Willow track days, I'd fill up on VP either 98 or 102? gas at the 1 station in the valley that had a VP pump. It cost a fortune 20y ago, $7-$8/gal. I'm all too familiar with tuning and pulling everything out of it... we did so many dyno sessions testing everything from cold air intakes to different headers: short, long, large diameter stepped, B pipes and CAT pipes to exhausts from every reputable mfg, then a variety of the earlier engine management systems once I boosted and dropped a 2jz block in.
I had a guy at a gas station in a bmw come up to me to talk cars, he liked my car and gave me two full gallon cans of Toluene to test THAT was fun.


The obsession:

We tested all the not quite stand alone fuel and timing management systems available at the time trying to find that solid setup while the affordable standalone systems were still developing We were fighting the incredibly effective, invasive lexus ECU constantly with the Apexi, HKS, Greddy Emanage systems before my tuning partner devleoped a fairly rudimentary but super effective way to trick the OEM ECU by boosting fuel pressure to the OE injectors with a secondary inline fuel pump controlled by a programmable fuel ECU that ramped up fuel pressure with RPM in stages to keep the A/F ratio as close to stoich' as possible while keeping up with the boost, so we didnt run lean or tip off the OE ECU to step in and pull timing and/or fuel killing yr tune.... this was well before proper standalone systems started coming out that were way more effective and actually affordable.
I remember as i was fading out of the scene, the AEM infinity was hot, and the Megasquirt was getting traction bk then as an alternative to Motec or AEM. Not many of us could drop Motec money bk then lol.. all the Dynotime at SP Engineering BITD cost a fortune, we had alot of fun tho burning $ like a dumbass...

boys (and some girls) and cars...good times.

 

[Cherokee]

My Ecoboost dash shows :

What ever I want it to.
:’P

 

[colinl]

This is interesting, Im used to running 87 in the old F150... I manage our fleet and gas program, and always understood that for the average engine, 87 is fine.
For a high performance engine, you should use the higher octane. As this is a little turbo 4 i assumed 93 was best in my 3 fillups so far lol (just hit 675 miles)
but yr saying its tuned for 87, so is there any reason to use 93?

I was always telling our drivers "use 87 its cheaper and for your trucks 93 is a waste of money"...

yes there's a reason to use premium, which for most people will be either 91 or 93. the 2.0 ecoboost is rated for 250 hp and 277 lb-ft on premium fuel. Ford didn't rate it on 87 but it definitely will make less power.

in the post you quoted I used the words 'survive on 87' intentionally. the stock 2.0 will survive under most driving conditions on 87 octane but the manual recommends premium for towing/hauling and best performance. I recommend people use premium all the time, but it's up to each person, and especially if you drive conservatively and rarely use more than 1/2 throttle, the cost-benefit of premium may not be favorable.

Cobb Tuning hasn't posted here in a while, but they had several very informative posts in this thread: https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/premium-vs-regular-fuel-data-point.35480/post-642696

(keep reading past that first one I linked, there is more good info on page 2.)

 

[Headbanger]

Certainly can't deny the looks. OP, that's a really nice Mav!

 

[todd92]

I have one on my 23 Lariat. Combined with a flowmaster FX exhaust which is not loud gives me the ability to get over 45mpg on a ecoboost truck. On a couple of trips on I35 this is what the mpg monitor showed. Trio is 42 miles each way. One was going the other returning.

Wow, the intake and exhaust really killed your MPG. Here is my MPG on my bone stock EcoBoost:

And here is the MPG with my Livernois 93 tune:

 

[wb5oxq]

You said these 2 avg fuel mileage values were from a 40 mile trip each way, but your odometer only indicates 2.1 miles travel between these 2 pictures.?
30653mi and 30655.

2 pics on the way down.

 

[Darthie]

So what’s the real purpose for this air cleaner . Just curious what it buys me on a 4 cyl

 

[Hot Runr Guy]

My Ecoboost dash shows :

when ever I want it to.
:’P

Fixed that MPG bar for you,,,,,

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