Hybrids are really hard on engines - you tube video

[surfstar]

I’m not going to watch the video, don’t need to.
I’m so sick of the scare stories about hybrids. It’s all a bunch of BS.
I’ve been driving hybrids for 18 years. I had 185k miles on my Prius when I drove it to the Junk yard. I just plain wore out the vehicle. Mostly the rusted body and frame. The engine was still amazing. Didn’t burn a drop of oil.

How many vehicles end up in a junk yard because of engine failure? Not many.

Yeah, it used to be fearmongering/trolling/or similar - now it just to get clicks/views and make $.

I never click on stupid videos that are obviously click-bait, even if they might have some info in them. Making content to make money is simply filling the world with $hit. AI does it now - AI slop.

Fight the slop - don't click!

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[AZ Hybrid]

It’s a sponsored video and he’s try to sell you oil. I’ve been working in Ford dealerships since the 80s as a technician. I can tell you that I have seen very few hybrid that have a worn out engines. They are extremely reliable. The idea that 80% of wear on start up is not relevant to a hybrid. Yes maybe back years ago with old oil technology and thick oil. That’s why today oils are much thinner. Thinner oil gets pumped much faster and also you get the benefit of better mpg. Hybrids spec of 0w20 combined with the much faster starting speed allows it to build oil pressure very quickly. Also the fact that is not having to idle for extended periods of time is helpful not harmful. The idea that oil is not getting up to optimum temp is not true. The engine management programming accounts for this and will run the engine to warm it up. The oil minder also adjust for short trips

 

[Chops]

Yes, Jason was up front about being sponsored in this video. He also did a great video about octane grades sponsored by Shell.

But geez, Mobil One Hybrid is fantastic oil developed by world class scientists & marketed by world class marketing folks.

“Boycotting” Mobil One Hybrid oil or buying another brand in an angry huff is just silly. All brands advertise - some better than others,

Jason gushed over his Maverick when he bought it

 

[HeyBales]

How about the thread that displayed the ice rpm. I do not know what the cycle rate for the RPM reading is but when the ice started the rpm jumped in less than a second from 0 to 810 in his video. If you blinked you would have missed it. Perhaps someone could observe the 3ph starter/generator in action?

From a log, not warmed up as 1st drive of day, so motor provided the torque until later.
Can't show the whole picture from 0 RPM to idle RPM - too much screen, so little start and ending time.
0 RPM was 55879 ms.
1235 was 58689 ms.
2810 ms / 2.8 sec

Engine kept at idle and no power used until about 88164 - so 32 sec of no load warmup. 81 F outside, cat 1000, coolant 100 F.

 

[HeyBales]

Good info. Just got my 2022 Hybrid so I'm still learning. A few things I have learned (that some owners might not be aware of) is this:

There is NO conventional starter and ring gear on the flywheel to wear out. Hoohray!
There are no belts--everything is direct connected.
The A/C is electrically driven (like a home unit).
I believe (it' not winter yet) the cabin heat is also electrical?
The combined torque of the E-motor and gas motor is over 300 ft-lbs--that' V-8 territory! Unfortunately, the E-motor torque is decreasing as the gas motor torque is climbing, so...
The greatest regeneration effect (foot off brake) is greatest in the " ECON" mode and least in the "SLIPPERY". mode (which makes sense).
So far, after 4 tanks of gas, I'm seeing a minimum AVERAGE of 45 mpg. Love it!

Jeff

Regenerate rate/effect is different (L is actually the highest) - but the amount regenerated is the same whether the mode caused it with coasting, or your braking caused it - as long as you stay outta brake dust, it's all a matter of which makes it easier for your foot and terrain and traffic.

Cabin heat is ICE - unless the ICE is running and you have it set to max heat (High) - then 3 electric heaters will come into play.

Combined torque listed in truck system PIDs (below TQ-REF) for doing math in modules - 245.6.
That's your max potential from them anyway.

 

[inline_five]

I average 46 MPG not towing.
I tow 3000 lbs 10% to 20% of my miles.
Commutes are 50% city 50% highway.

Two separate oil fills.

The 10K used and 15k used oils are nearly identical.

TBN is Total Base Number and indicates additives remaining.

Plain Mobil 1 used both times. Not Hybrid specific. Hybrid formula I may try going to 20,000 miles.

Those wear numbers are very low for that many miles and type of driving you do (especially towing 3k on the '22 hybrid). <2 / 1000 miles is very, very good.

M1 is good oil. Like you, I used it on my wife's Prius for many years however it's lead to oil sticking up the rings and starting to cause it to burn oil. So far, Valvoline Restore & Protect has reduced the burning to almost 0, so I've switched to that for now.

 

[inline_five]

Doesn't the 2.5 have a reputation for being basically indestructible?

Yes, the Ford Duratec 2.5l is a fantastic motor (knocks on wood, lol). It's part of the reason I bought the hybrid and not the ecoboost, which is still a good motor but not as dead reliable and easy to maintain (ie turbos) as the 2.5.

 

[Fastjeff]

For some strange reason, a search of "Ford 4 cylinder motors" on the Internet--which has a really great site--did not list our 2.5. There's about every Ford 4 banger ever built, including Model T and British motors, but no 2.5! I object!|

Jeff

 

[Fastjeff]

" Regenerate rate/effect is different (L is actually the highest) - but the amount regenerated is the same whether the mode caused it with coasting, or your braking caused it - as long as you stay outta brake dust, it's all a matter of which makes it easier for your foot and terrain and traffic. "

Oh contraire!! A "coast down" from 40 mph to (say 30) in ECO results in a shorter distance than "Normal" mode. And in "Slippery" it takes far longer. Try it.

Jeff

 

[Phimosis]

" Regenerate rate/effect is different (L is actually the highest) - but the amount regenerated is the same whether the mode caused it with coasting, or your braking caused it - as long as you stay outta brake dust, it's all a matter of which makes it easier for your foot and terrain and traffic. "

Oh contraire!! A "coast down" from 40 mph to (say 30) in ECO results in a shorter distance than "Normal" mode. And in "Slippery" it takes far longer. Try it.

Jeff

So you’re saying eco mode slows you down faster than “L” mode does?

 

[notfast]

I believe (it' not winter yet) the cabin heat is also electrical?

If I recall, the cabin heat is a conventional setup that uses a heater core that has engine coolant running through it. So if you crank up the cabin heat then the engine would have to idle or cycle on and off more often to maintain the coolant temperature.

 

[Danhedonia]

I simply can't imagine trusting a person who chooses that hairstyle.

 

[Pete Sheppard]

This video does a good job explaining how the cooling system works, and how its affected by extreme temps (in this case, Arizona summer heat). It's also noted that deep cold has similar mileage results.

 

[Timothyd]

If I recall, the cabin heat is a conventional setup that uses a heater core that has engine coolant running through it. So if you crank up the cabin heat then the engine would have to idle or cycle on and off more often to maintain the coolant temperature.

In the winter my hybrid will start the ICE right off the bat to warm the cabin/battery. Puts out heat quickly which is nice but the gas milage is a little less in the winter because the ICE is running more.

 

[dochawk]

I'm going to make a general observation that since synthetic oil sticks to metal for far longer than conventional oil, I find it entirely possible that the optimal synthetic would be different for a hybrid, which switches on and off frequently, than for a conventional ICE.

A accordingly, it seems logical that the optimal synthetic formulation for a hybrid would be different than for an ICE.

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