2.0 tune that doesn’t leave a footprint and is plug & play?

[vinnymac]

Hello club members I’m looking for a tune that doesn’t leave a footprint and is plug and play in the processor wiring. I found one from Afe I’m looking for options any help would be greatly appreciated thanks VP

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[OleFordGuy]

I highly doubt there's any tune (change) that is not detected and recorded by the ECU. Good luck with that.
Granted I could be wrong. Maybe others will chime in

 

[vinnymac]

Well i know it’s my wish im hoping for more responses so i can make calls to the company’s for info. My 2015 ecoboost mustang had a Cobb tune and it left a footprint im hoping for the best VP

 

[Whatcolortochoose]

You are looking for a piggyback tune.

Burgermotorsports jb4 is an example. It does not rewrite anything. From what I read is that it is not completely untraceable. Something about the vehicle opperating outside of normal parameters but it does not reflash anything.

 

[Carlitos_92]

https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/search/3374727/?q=tune&c[title_only]=1&o=date

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[colinl]

You are looking for a piggyback tune.

Burgermotorsports jb4 is an example. It does not rewrite anything. From what I read is that it is not completely untraceable. Something about the vehicle opperating outside of normal parameters but it does not reflash anything.

I would consider it more of an interceptor than a piggyback since it's modifying sensor values the ECU sees, but yes, it does not reflash the ECU and supposedly cannot be detected via telemetry or the ECU itself.

However, it can easily be detected by looking under the hood, or if the controller is installed in your truck, a person could see that and conclude you have it installed.

OP needs to go to JB4 and then do some Googling on it to see if anyone has had issues. I think the biggest drawback of the JB4 on the Maverick platform is that the stock transmission logic is pretty terrible for performance. (I assume it's great for fuel economy.) With a reflash tune like Cobb or Livernois, they can (and do) change the transmission programming which makes a huge difference in driveability, and maybe some difference in performance.

https://burgertuning.com/products/jb4-tuner-ford-maverick

 

[Snox801]

Yep nothing is gonna be undetectable. Plus it’s simply a worse way of doing more power.
Just simply get a good tuner and don’t worry about it.

I’ve got Livernois on all my ecoboost and have never had a single issue. Several over 200k miles and one went over 400 k before being totaled.
They have better software than Cobb as far as tuning so that’s why I decided to go with them.
I would not even waste my money on a piggy back.
They don’t work as well and they can clearly be seen just like a tune if something does happen.

 

[LSchicago]

All tunes are detectable.

 

[colinl]

Yep nothing is gonna be undetectable. Plus it’s simply a worse way of doing more power.
Just simply get a good tuner and don’t worry about it.

I’ve got Livernois on all my ecoboost and have never had a single issue. Several over 200k miles and one went over 400 k before being totaled.
They have better software than Cobb as far as tuning so that’s why I decided to go with them.
I would not even waste my money on a piggy back.
They don’t work as well and they can clearly be seen just like a tune if something does happen.

the biggest value to me in a JB4 is twofold:

1) they usually get to market faster than a reflash, because no one has to 'crack' the ECU. (does anyone actually know what this consists of? is someone literally hacking it, like when the FBI tries to brute force open a suspect's phone?) but case in point, no one has cracked the '23 - up F150 ecoboost ecu, so tuners are either limited to piggybacks, or Livernois will sell you a '22 ECU to install in your 23-24 F150 so that they can reflash it.

2) drive mode integration on supported vehicles can make a lot of sense. if you have an 87 octane map for highway use, and you want it automatically selected when you pick eco mode, that's great. but then it's not so obvious when to load your E30/E50/E85 map vs 93 E10, etc because sport mode could be great with any fuel map, and maybe you do drive E85 in normal drive mode.

there are some platforms like BMW and Audi where's it's pretty common to use a JB4 *and* a reflash tune at the same time. I think that's playing with fire, personally.

 

[Snox801]

the biggest value to me in a JB4 is twofold:

1) they usually get to market faster than a reflash, because no one has to 'crack' the ECU. (does anyone actually know what this consists of? is someone literally hacking it, like when the FBI tries to brute force open a suspect's phone?) but case in point, no one has cracked the '23 - up F150 ecoboost ecu, so tuners are either limited to piggybacks, or Livernois will sell you a '22 ECU to install in your 23-24 F150 so that they can reflash it.

2) drive mode integration on supported vehicles can make a lot of sense. if you have an 87 octane map for highway use, and you want it automatically selected when you pick eco mode, that's great. but then it's not so obvious when to load your E30/E50/E85 map vs 93 E10, etc because sport mode could be great with any fuel map, and maybe you do drive E85 in normal drive mode.

there are some platforms like BMW and Audi where's it's pretty common to use a JB4 *and* a reflash tune at the same time. I think that's playing with fire, personally.

That’s correct but doesn’t make what I said not true. I can say Livernois had a maverick tune n market faster than the jb4 was done. Heck I’ve had them do a brand new platform in a day or two. So it really depends.
As for the 23 ecu I did that on my 23 f-150 but again. Are you really worried about saving $1800 on not buying an ecu but are willing to risk your much more expensive motor? Jb4 simply is not as safe as a full custom tune. They are really only intercepting the boost and raising that limit. Mostly.
Again we are not talking about locked ecu. My 24 maverick is tuned. I just know that it’s in the same ballpark of price as a tune and still is detectable. They can see that boost targets are higher than they should. In fact I would argue a tune is less detectable. If you reflash to stock the ecu is re written. So the only way they know is by key count.

 

[colinl]

So the only way they know is by key count.

not sure about that. they can infer past tuning by reflash count, yes, but I would not at all be surprised if telemetry and FRDS can both see and flag non-stock ECU values.

 

[Bwicka]

Is your concern smog/ inspection or warranty?

 

[vinnymac]

None I’m looking for a little xtra kick in performance . But most of all I’m looking for a MTC member that’s using a plug n play system and how it’s working and are they happy with the product

 

[Snox801]

not sure about that. they can infer past tuning by reflash count, yes, but I would not at all be surprised if telemetry and FRDS can both see and flag non-stock ECU values.

You may be right but I did state that I would think it “may” be less. I’m not 100 percent sure. I just know first thing they do is look at key count usually. If they suspect it been tuned. But that’s usually because people will reflash and take it right in. This showing no check engine codes .

 

[colinl]

None I’m looking for a little xtra kick in performance . But most of all I’m looking for a MTC member that’s using a plug n play system and how it’s working and are they happy with the product

it is harder to find a person like that, because I would think that if they fear warranty issues or mistreatment by their dealer, they're probably going to install a JB4 and not post about it here, on facebook, etc.

this is one of the only threads I've seen about JB4, and you can see @Superg0 asking questions and then getting one.

https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/f...for-2022-ford-maverick-2l-ecoboost-beta.5032/

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