Looking better for a PHEV Hybrid Maverick???

[Bob The Builder]

Ford is losing Billions more on their EV's and now they are saying they are working on several new Hybrids. Could one of them be a PHEV Maverick? I would say things don't look too good for a BEV Maverick given these losses.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/ford-loses-billions-on-electric-cars-embraces-hybrids

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[Darnon]

BEV wasn't going to happen anyways until the Maverick gets a redesign to a new platform so probably 4+ years.

 

[Shay]

BEV's are coming one way or the other, it's not an option for automakers. It's legislated and ordained.

That aside, the same legislative forces that are creating the long term shift to BEVs will also be forcing PHEVs for the remainder of vehicles that have an ICE. So yes a PHEV Maverick will eventually come in addition to just about enything with an ICE under the hood if they intend to sell vehicles in 17 of the 50 states. It may not be next year or the year after, but it will happen. Count on it.

 

[TLRMaverick]

BEV wasn't going to happen anyways until the Maverick gets a redesign to a new platform so probably 4+ years.

That's correct Ford is doing the Bev on the new platform whenever that comes out. This will also give them time to ramp up better and less expensive batteries. We may get a awd hybrid this generation but they've already confirmed no BEV or PHEV this current gen.

 

[Bob The Builder]

Moral of this story: Green Cars, Red Ink.

 

[atomguy245]

"Losses on EVs" are really just the money spend on R&D and the new factories. Ford CEO says every product whether ICE or EV needs to make 8% profit. So Ford isn't spending $200k per unit to build a Mustang Mach E then selling it for only $60k. It's called investing in the future, only the accountants call it a loss.

 

[Scott Asheville]

I wish I could remember the link, but just today I read a clarification that Ford had no intention of offering PHEVs in a big way going forward, only simple hybrids. Sorry, I can't provide the link for that. It was NYT or Bloomberg or something like that.

Some recent research in Europe (again i don't have the citation) observed that very few owners of PHEVs actually plug them in. Which seems kind of strange, but there it is.

Remember that PHEVs further complicate your hybrid. Now you need additional, very expensive parts and pieces to charge that battery from external AC and/or DC. So that recent hybrid price hike? Add some more cash on the table

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[Scott Asheville]

Moral of this story: Green Cars, Red Ink.

Unless you are Tesla, in which case: Green Cars, MASSIVE INDUSTRY LEADING PROFITS.

 

[Old Man]

Unless you are Tesla, in which case: Green Cars, MASSIVE INDUSTRY LEADING PROFITS.

Tesla lost billions its first ten years. Just like Ford and GM are gearing up for mass EV batteries and assembly plants.

 

[MaverickEVwouldBeNice]

I wish I could remember the link, but just today I read a clarification that Ford had no intention of offering PHEVs in a big way going forward, only simple hybrids. Sorry, I can't provide the link for that. It was NYT or Bloomberg or something like that.

I searched for recent articles with both of those sources, and without them, couldn't find anything remotely matching your statement. Not saying you're wrong, just couldn't find it.

Some recent research in Europe (again i don't have the citation) observed that very few owners of PHEVs actually plug them in. Which seems kind of strange, but there it is.

Didn't find a study from Europe, but found this article. Basically theorizes that people bought PHEVs because they were cheaper after incentives than hybrids or straight ICE vehicles. So if their plan never was to save the planet, why should they care enough to plug in...

Here is something else that I've considered as a possible contributing factor:

My current car is a BEV (which I will retain!, not trade in for the Maverick). Charge time on 240V is less than 7 hours from 10% to 80% (recommended limitations on upper and lower ends). My range is 262 miles on a full battery, or about 225 at 80% (no heat or AC on, though). Now that amount of time is significant, but acceptable from an efficiency standpoint.

But here is something most people don't realize (until after they buy an EV): For some odd reason most PHEV require 3 to 5 hours to charge their battery that only gives them between 20 and 40 miles of all-electric range. I do believe that is if they use 110V, but I could be wrong.

Ok, the reason isn't odd (has to do with the internal charge controller and possibly the type of battery), but the fact that it takes that long to charge may have something to do with people not plugging in.

1) That's a long time to plug in your vehicle for just minor range. Many people don't understand how electricity is measured and used in their house. So of course something that is plugged in that long must be using a lot of electricity. Not true, but I had to explain why it isn't to my mom before she accepted that it's not actually that expensive.
2) You will have to plug in every day that you drove your car to re-charge your battery, which isn't that intuitive when you also still have to go get gas.

 

[bbhaag]

"Losses on EVs" are really just the money spend on R&D and the new factories. Ford CEO says every product whether ICE or EV needs to make 8% profit. So Ford isn't spending $200k per unit to build a Mustang Mach E then selling it for only $60k. It's called investing in the future, only the accountants call it a loss.

Exactly, only accountants and the uniformed call it a loss. The accountants do it becasue they have to the uniformed do it becasue they either don't care to do their own research or have an agenda to push.

Ford isn't loosing billions on EVs becasue EVs aren't profitable. Tesla proved that. Ford it loosing billions on EVs by building Blue Oval City. Once these facilities are completed Ford will be at the forefront of how Americans use, drive, and build vehicles just like they did with the Model T.


BLUEOVAL CITY & SK
Ford is leading the electric revolution by creating an automotive manufacturing ecosystem in Tennessee and building two battery plants in Kentucky, creating 11,000 new American jobs. These facilities will reimagine how electric vehicles and batteries are designed, built and recycled – all Built for America.

https://corporate.ford.com/operations/blue-oval-city.html

 

[lajlmt]

That's correct Ford is doing the Bev on the new platform whenever that comes out. This will also give them time to ramp up better and less expensive batteries. We may get a awd hybrid this generation but they've already confirmed no BEV or PHEV this current gen.

All wheel drive in Tesla talk..dual motor

 

[Mav_RICK]

BEV's are coming one way or the other, it's not an option for automakers. It's legislated and ordained.

That aside, the same legislative forces that are creating the long term shift to BEVs will also be forcing PHEVs for the remainder of vehicles that have an ICE. So yes a PHEV Maverick will eventually come in addition to just about enything with an ICE under the hood if they intend to sell vehicles in 17 of the 50 states. It may not be next year or the year after, but it will happen. Count on it.

Not saying BEVs are not coming but what is legislated can be reversed.

 

[Automate]

Not saying BEVs are not coming but what is legislated can be reversed.

Not in California. They have gone off the deep end.

 

[Mav_RICK]

Not in California. They have gone off the deep end.

Well Californians are going to have to live with their choices, sad to say.

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