Looking better for a PHEV Hybrid Maverick???

[MaverickEVwouldBeNice]

Given how long those batteries last, I don't see recycling being a problem. Those systems have time to be established in the degree necessary. We are already seeing the problems of trying to produce so many batteries so quickly. Not just a shortage of the raw materials, there are not enough manufacturing facilities to meet current (low) demand. In time, those problems will be solved at an environmental price of its own. Infrastructure however, everything from charging stations, home chargers, power grid and more clean energy available to support widespread adaptation is far from being in place at this time. This changeover, wether you believe it or not, will not take place in entirety until all these issues are solved. I foresee at least a decade even with government mandates before this can be even close to happening. To mandate people adopt this technology before it's ready is to invite widespread failure initially and delay it's adaptation.

We don't have the time to sit back and wait for the technology to mature. The world is burning, for some (many) of us literally.

Here are some things where I don't agree with your opinions:

We're not (that) short of capabilities, we are short of will-power and political clout.
How long have scientists been telling us we must act? Since the last 20+ years at least. We had years to get this show on the road. Corporations chose not to go there, because the pressure from the governments (world wide) wasn't there.
Why are we continuing to let corporations get away with that ship (t)?

I don't want to hear anything about how "scientists keep changing what they tell us we need to do", or how "none of what they said has come true." This is literally how science works.
We don't KNOW exactly what is going to happen, because it hasn't happened yet. We can look at patterns and come up with estimates, educated guesses, and forecasts. If the results are different, we update the forecast models and try again.

There is no government mandate for people to switch over to EVs. It's a mandate for manufacturers to increase their production of EVs. You, as a consumer, are free to not buy one.

The technology for both the vehicles as well as energy storage is already mature, if not as robust in its infrastructure application as it needs to be.
The first modern Hybrids came out before my son was born. My son is 25. The first BEV for the mass market was actually produced in 1996: Chevrolet's EV1.
A couple of years prior to that Chrysler already had a short run of 57 electric vans (the TEVan), while Ford built a Ranger EV, and GM had an electric S10.
While none of those vehicles were produced in significant enough numbers, we're looking at almost 30 years of R&D.

And that isn't even looking outside of this country. We all know that Nissan came out with the Leaf that did make it into the mass market well before Tesla became the household name.
Looking at your profile I think I see a Prius, so I am really hard pressed where you're coming up with any of your doubts in the technology.

Our charging network already covers 95 to 98% of the country:
I bought a BEV last year April. From day 1 (one!) I was able to charge at home, no special equipment needed.
You too, today, have the capability to charge a BEV at home (unless you live in an apartment complex without parking next to your building). You can charge your car from a 15 Amp 110 Volt outlet. Slowly, but sufficiently fast for most daily driving.

Can we all just stop drinking (insert mega corporation of choice)'s Kool Aid and realize that they don't care about us, or what happens to us? They all got their's, and that bunker in New Zealand.

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[Red Ryder]

But it's not going to be. Even if it was, the manufacturers have already begun the shift on a global scale. It's a done deal whether you like it or not. Once a sex change operation is underway, there is no changing course.

In second grade, they taught me the metric system as it was coming fast.
No changing course, the world's already there. That was Skylab era, BTW.

 

[Old Man]

Some wild beliefs on this topic. As a former engineer that has worked on alternative energy projects I can say there are currently limitations.

A lot of residential properties do not have the capacity to provide level 2 charging. I rent a duplex that has a 100 amp service that is at it's limit. The dryer plug, not near my garage, is behind the dryer and can't easily be accessed. To use it a 240V switch would need to be installed and wiring run to a new plug in the garage. Quote to do the switch and wiring; $2,000. A new service and 200 amp panel with wiring to the garage; $5,000. My state and electric utility offer no assistance. My landlord says no. If I drive more than 30 miles a day then 110V won't be enough.

There are laws mandating the use of EV vehicles. From NBC News -
Washington state plans to ban most non-electric vehicles by 2030
The bill says that all vehicles of the model year 2030 or later that are sold, purchased, or registered in the state must be electric.

Electric grids in this country can not handle a sudden large increase in EV vehicles. Look at Texas 3 years ago when theirs failed for days, even the wind turbines froze. California now restricts EV charging during hot days because of overloads. It takes 10 years for approval and construction of new power grid installations/enhancements, if they don't have law suits blocking them, which they often do. Solar and wind aren't reliably available at night in most areas and grid battery storage isn't widely used yet plus it is a competing technology for limited resources already being used by EV batteries.

There are many areas where EVs are not practical, much of Montana where there are few chargers and long distances to go daily. Other western states are similar. It was pointed out that in Florida, if many or most cars were EVs, in times of an emergency such as a hurricane it is already difficult to move tens of thousands of vehicles quickly with a large number of gas stations, and impossible with limited, long-charging time EV stations.

EVs will likely be the future but the world can't switch in a few years and until techology gets to the point that full charging can be done at home on 110V in a few hours it won't be wide-spread.

 

[K5Blazer]

flying cars are coming.
they told us that for decades.

good thing the current powers that be are more honest and god fearing than they were back then.

they only want the best for us.

 

[Red Ryder]

Some wild beliefs on this topic. As a former engineer that has worked on alternative energy projects I can say there are currently limitations.

Electric grids in this country can not handle a sudden large increase in EV vehicles. Look at Texas 3 years ago when theirs failed for days, even the wind turbines froze. California now restricts EV charging during hot days because of overloads. It takes 10 years for approval and construction of new power grid installations/enhancements, if they don't have law suits blocking them, which they often do. Solar and wind aren't reliably available at night in most areas and grid battery storage isn't widely used yet plus it is a competing technology for limited resources already being used by EV batteries.

There are many areas where EVs are not practical, much of Montana where there are few chargers and long distances to go daily. Other western states are similar. It was pointed out that in Florida, if many or most cars were EVs, in times of an emergency such as a hurricane it is already difficult to move tens of thousands of vehicles quickly with a large number of gas stations, and impossible with limited, long-charging time EV stations.

EVs will likely be the future but the world can't switch in a few years and until techology gets to the point that full charging can be done at home on 110V in a few hours it won't be wide-spread.

Similar background and familiar with grid concerns. These aggressive schedules to move away from petrol are crazily optimistic.

 

[Automate]

Despite all the talk of renewable energy, world coal usage, with its high CO2 emissions, is going up.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/27/coal-consumption-hit-an-all-time-high-in-2022-iea-says.html

 

[ruthere89]

Despite all the talk of renewable energy, world coal usage, with its high CO2 emissions, is going up.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/27/coal-consumption-hit-an-all-time-high-in-2022-iea-says.html

what do you think till when all coal end?

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