If they made a full EV Maverick, would you buy, switch? [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[FordHybrid]

Only as a second car. Where we live temperatures drop below freezing, I have experienced a drop from mid 40's mpg to high 20's mpg in cold temperatures. We are waiting for our Maverick and presently have a 2018 KIA Niro Hybrid. Cold temperatures are not a battery's best friend.

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[Sykotyk]

Range and access to charging on longer trips is my major issues. I'll trade off the charging times for the cheaper cost. But WHERE I can charge is an issue. I like taking my maverick to Michigan, Georgia and New Jersey where I got to go far further than any car I've owned go between fill ups.

I'm not sure if electric adoption will see extended range since MOST trips or days are far less than the range maximum.

However I think we'll see the charging speeds increase and availability of chargers explode where the shorter range won't be an issue.

I still say the biggest drawback is that most people think of charging like getting gas. The future of EVs will be the chargers will just be at the businesses you'll be stopping at anyways. Restaurants, hotels, grocery stores, etc. You won't seek out chargers, they'll just be at the very places you were stopping at anyways.

 

[Deleted member 5597]

No EV for me! The infrastructure just isn't there yet. Plus, think about it for a moment. What are the charging stations run off of? Fossil fuel. If you were on a road trip and your battery was running low, what would you do if there weren't any charging stations nearby? Can't call roadside assistance to have your battery charged, but they could bring you gas. What if you lived in a state...like California...that has a problem with rolling blackouts for electricity. How would you charge you vehicle? What if there was a natural disaster, like a hurricane, tornado, or flood, and the electricity went out for a number of days? How would you charge? If you were ordered to evacuate due to a natural disaster, and were in bumper to bumper traffic and your battery goes low or dead. Then what? And lastly:

1. How much is that e-vehicle going to cost you? Some e-vehicle prices have price increases of almost $8K.

2. Forget the tax credit for buying an e-vehicle. Most of the batteries and elements are mined in foreign countries. The tax credit is for batteries manufactured and mined in the USA.

3. How much is that charging station going to cost you to be installed at your home?

4. How much is it going to cost you to charge your battery compared to filling it up with gas? One e-car owner stated it cost him $100 per charge to drive 320 miles compared to filling up his compact car for $50 that goes nearly 500 miles.

5. How much is that e-vehicle going to cost you? Over $50K or more. Your payments for a $50K or more e-vehicle are going to be astronomical!!

6. How much is it going to cost to replace that battery? I don't even want to know!!

 

[stoptothink]

Which? I suspect $35-40k is not far off for a base EV Maverick. Seeing how the F150 lighting work package was around $40k when it was first introduced.

Key words being "when it was introduced", what is it now?

 

[TyPope]

We are at the "wright flyer" stage or maybe a bit past. I'll wait until they hit the jet age, thank you. Hybrids are the immediate future.

I don't know. Our Tesla Model Y is a lot of fun to drive (my wife's car, actually) and road trips are easy though it does take longer (took me an hour longer to make the trek from Nebraska down to Shreveport, LA than it took in a rental van (had extra people with us) a month prior. I can tell you, this next Maverick will be the last gas vehicle I buy. Not because of any 'save the world' thing but just because that instant torque and buttery smooth acceleration is 2nd to none and the $.04 per mile 'fuel' cost kicks ass. (But, I'm still ordering a Maverick for myself)

 

[Yardtruck]

No. I would not.

The infrastructure for charging is not there. And the shaky condition of our power grid makes me question their future reliability.
Rolling blackouts anyone?

 

[TyPope]

No EV for me! The infrastructure just isn't there yet. Plus, think about it for a moment. What are the charging stations run off of? Fossil fuel. If you were on a road trip and your battery was running low, what would you do if there weren't any charging stations nearby? Can't call roadside assistance to have your battery charged, but they could bring you gas. What if you lived in a state...like California...that has a problem with rolling blackouts for electricity. How would you charge you vehicle? What if there was a natural disaster, like a hurricane, tornado, or flood, and the electricity went out for a number of days? How would you charge? If you were ordered to evacuate due to a natural disaster, and were in bumper to bumper traffic and your battery goes low or dead. Then what? And lastly:

1. How much is that e-vehicle going to cost you? Some e-vehicle prices have price increases of almost $8K.
Yup, they aren't cheap.

2. Forget the tax credit for buying an e-vehicle. Most of the batteries and elements are mined in foreign countries. The tax credit is for batteries manufactured and mined in the USA.
The credits are dumb. Anyone able to afford a $60k EV probably doesn't need taxpayer assistance...

3. How much is that charging station going to cost you to be installed at your home? $500. But, as long as you have a 110v outlet in your garage, you don't have to get one. Our car charges 64+ Miles overnight on a 110v outlet. It IS slow but possible. I mean, my wife drives it 25 miles a day. But, we paid $500 for the charger connector and $500 to have it installed. Some manufacturers include one "free"

4. How much is it going to cost you to charge your battery compared to filling it up with gas?
It costs us $.04 per mile. That's $0.12 per KwH and the car goes 3 miles per KwH. On long trips, it's more but that's just once or twice a year. Well worth the daily savings. I pay $4.26 to drive my truck to work and back while she pays $0.32... just saves $80 a month in gas so that doesn't add up to much compared to the cost of the car.

5. How much is that e-vehicle going to cost you? Over $50K or more. Your payments for a $50K or more e-vehicle are going to be astronomical!!
Yes, they aren't cheap but when you compare similar cars or trucks, it isn't crazy... Lariate F150 compared to Lightning, for instance. What is that? $15k difference? You'll save on gas and servicing but not enough to make up the difference. It could be a little before there is price parity. Not long, though.

6. How much is it going to cost to replace that battery? I don't even want to know!!
That could be expensive.($13-14k) 100,000 mile guaranty now but battery should last 400,000 Miles. Tesla, for one, recycles 100% of battery. They just grind them up and separate out the chemicals as if it were "high content ore". LOL (My F450 had its motor replaced twice before I got it and once right after I sold it. I felt bad for the guy but Ford replaced it under warranty from the last time they replaced it less than a year prior. It would have cost $14,000 otherwise.)

But, EVs are definitely a hoot to drive!

 

[Deleted member 5597]

They might be a hoot to drive, but it comes at a premium cost. The benefits don’t outweigh the risk of ownership.

 

[RonFLA]

Plug-in Hybrid is the way to go on the Maverick. 100 mile range Maverick is a no-go. Having owned a couple EV’s, range anxiety is a real issue, even under the best of circumstances, being a second vehicle and used primarily in the city.

Being as how a majority of the cost of an EV is the battery pack, a 300 mile range Maverick really makes it unrealistic, since one of the major features of the Maverick is it’s basic, low-cost design.

A 40 mile range, Plug-In Hybrid is where the Maverick needs to be.

 

[Decayed]

I don't know. Our Tesla Model Y is a lot of fun to drive (my wife's car, actually) and road trips are easy though it does take longer (took me an hour longer to make the trek from Nebraska down to Shreveport, LA than it took in a rental van (had extra people with us) a month prior. I can tell you, this next Maverick will be the last gas vehicle I buy. Not because of any 'save the world' thing but just because that instant torque and buttery smooth acceleration is 2nd to none and the $.04 per mile 'fuel' cost kicks ass. (But, I'm still ordering a Maverick for myself)

The reason I say that is that EV's aren't as universally capable as ICE vehicles. Look at the towing test they did with the lightening - they made it what, 70 miles? Unacceptable. At some point they will be just as capable but not now. The teslas are great as daily drivers. For other tasks not so much. The performance is amazing though and it's a glimpse of what's to come.

My acid test is what would happen during an emergency like a katrina evacuation. Right now I could put 15 gallons of gas in cans in the bed of my truck and make something like 5-600 miles or so and refill the tank and gas cans in about 5 minutes once I find a pump. If I had to I could siphon some gas from another vehicle to keep going. Right now you can't do that sort of thing with an EV.

For now I'd like to see hybrid technology be more common and standardized. You get the best of both worlds while mitigating the negative of both technologies. This is the best way forward for the next 10 years at least.

In my honest opinion I think in about 3-5 years we will see a glut of used EV's on the market that have low value due to the cost of battery replacement and a better understanding of their limitations.

 

[Gullzway]

With the Plug-in, I have concerns about the ICE. My commute is only 23 miles. If electric range was 40, I would never use the ICE, as I would be able to plug in at work. ICE needs to be use just like muscles. I have a FE FWD and I am happy. Getting 50+ MPG on my commute. I would not trade for plug-in, but would for an EV. I have a Pilot for my "heavy" moving. It was easier to move the kids from/to college.

Just don't charge it a time or two so that the ICE turns on every week or so?

 

[MaverRick]

Only as a second car. Where we live temperatures drop below freezing, I have experienced a drop from mid 40's mpg to high 20's mpg in cold temperatures. We are waiting for our Maverick and presently have a 2018 KIA Niro Hybrid. Cold temperatures are not a battery's best friend.

I would be interested in a BEV Maverick but I would not buy any BEV if I lived up North! The cold weather has a severe impact on range! My Wife has a MachE and loves it! For charging at home a 240V outlet is a must IMO!

 

[Deleted member 1370]

Not me atleast, I’m not jumping in the electric train. Having dealt with electric cars somewhat regularly in the past, in the short term they’re neat. Long haul i dont want to deal with that. Range anxiety , ages to charge vs filling up a tank of gas , cost to buy them and it goes on and on. Just not for me. To each their own of course but I’d genuinely rather take the bus than drive an electric vehicle.

 

[Timothyd]

Nope not at all. No interest in an electric anything.

I don't think it's worth considering at this time, there's a lot of work with the power grid that needs to be done. A lot.

 

[Deleted member 6544]

To the thread title.... No

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