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When switching between Eco-Normal-Sport a few things happen, 1> the throttle position sensor gets remapped, the Maverick isn't making more power, 2. the transmission response is remapped to be more or less quicker in response, 3. depending on what you have running, A/C or Heat, how and when the A/C compressor cycles differently.

My BMW 330i has Eco Sport, Normal, and Sport. I have used the Eco Sport once, a trip between Phoenix-San Diego, the car told me I got 34 miles better than if I left it in Normal or Sport. I always have it Sport mode.

I'm not sure how many people will leave their Mavericks in Eco, I feel this mode makes the Maverick feel too lethargic for most. Also how many will leave it in Sport? Since it won't get the impressive MPG...
Thanks for the real world report. I think I am just like you- I will drive (generally) for the efficiency and economy. I presently drive a Buick Encore that is supposed to average 27 mpg and I average 31.5. Drive sanely and you will be rewarded. Looking forward to receiving the Maverick I ordered in October someday.
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Just thinking that sport might be the better mode for the engine break in period. Pay for it now but get better mileage over the life of the truck.

Thoughts?
I think this is a really good question. I keep my vehicles for at least 10 years so if there's anything I can do with break-in that helps longevity that's what I'm interested in. After break-in, I'll be in eco or normal mode most of the time sport mode when I'm trying to show someone what the Mav can do. 😁. So, yes, any break-in for longevity thoughts?
 

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Ok, there are some caveats to this. The Eco mode does NOT give as much available HP as Sport. Yes it remaps the throttle response but also remaps fuel and ice/electric modes. Sport lets you put more fuel to the Engine. That equals more power. As I said it was a lot to really get the Eco to give more than 50% power. The Sport lets you access 100% of the power. 10 mpgs on average is a big difference. That is 130 miles difference in a tank and that difference was on the highway. I imagine more of a loss in the city.

No the physical potential of power in the engine is not changed you can just access more of it. That is what a different tune does. My F350 Eco mode is way down on power from the Race mode. I promise you that even on a dyno you will get different numbers. It is not a simple in this truck as just a throttle tune. This truck the different modes are a big difference from each end.
The highlighted is false, it's a perception since the mapping on the throttle has been changed.
 
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The highlighted is false, it's a perception since the mapping on the throttle has been changed.
Fuel delivery is also changed. More fuel equals more power.
 

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Fuel delivery is also changed. More fuel equals more power.
Ok……here’s a question for the gang…….
Hypothetically, I’m cooking along, doing 75-80, say, in “normal”.
If I change to either “sport”, or “eco”, will the rpm change?
 

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Fuel delivery is also changed. More fuel equals more power.
That’s wildly inaccurate. More fuel actually means less power as it would be too rich. Actually, leaner is faster and makes the most power. More AIR coupled with more fuel will net you more power, so just adding fuel will do nothing unless you increase boost pressure along with it.

Eco mode and sport mode actually do nothing in terms of changing timing, fuel maps, etc. The only thing it does is it will hold gears for longer and not shift as early. Holding a gear for longer will give you the illusion of more power, because the engine will remain in its power band when the gear change occurs.

You will however more than likely see a decrease in mpg because shift points are not optimized for fuel mileage in sport mode, but the engine still will make the same amount of hp and tq in either mode.
 
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That’s wildly inaccurate. More fuel actually means less power as it would be too rich. Actually, leaner is faster and makes the most power. More AIR coupled with more fuel will net you more power, so just adding fuel will do nothing unless you increase boost pressure along with it.

Eco mode and sport mode actually do nothing in terms of changing timing, fuel maps, etc. The only thing it does is it will hold gears for longer and not shift as early. Holding a gear for longer will give you the illusion of more power, because the engine will remain in its power band when the gear change occurs.

You will however more than likely see a decrease in mpg because shift points are not optimized for fuel mileage in sport mode, but the engine still will make the same amount of hp and tq in either mode.
Wow did you just step into a debate. I agree that leaner is meaner but richer can be quicker too. Until now I have never heard running richer won't get you more speed. My post was NOT wildly inaccurate. I run my motorcycles and boats as lean as I can but my vehicles a little to the rich side. You should see my diesel. I cant dump enough fuel to it. It's not pure throttle points because at the EXACT same power(as best as the gauge can do) the mpgs drop tremendously. Also this is a hybrid. Zero gears. Oh and BTW with ford it's generally towing that holds the higher rpm for rpms sake.
 

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You should see my diesel. I cant dump enough fuel to it.
Completely different modes of operation between a gas and diesel engine. A gas engine controls power by controlling the amount of air going to the engine with the throttle. The fuel stays fairly close to stochiometric with the amount of air. A diesel has no throttle plate and controls power with the amount of fuel. They use a very wide range of air/fuel ratios.
 
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Completely different modes of operation between a gas and diesel engine. A gas engine controls power by controlling the amount of air going to the engine with the throttle. The fuel stays fairly close to stochiometric with the amount of air. A diesel has no throttle plate and controls power with the amount of fuel. They use a very wide range of air/fuel ratios.
Just an example buddy.
 

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That’s wildly inaccurate. More fuel actually means less power as it would be too rich. Actually, leaner is faster and makes the most power. More AIR coupled with more fuel will net you more power, so just adding fuel will do nothing unless you increase boost pressure along with it.

Eco mode and sport mode actually do nothing in terms of changing timing, fuel maps, etc. The only thing it does is it will hold gears for longer and not shift as early. Holding a gear for longer will give you the illusion of more power, because the engine will remain in its power band when the gear change occurs.

You will however more than likely see a decrease in mpg because shift points are not optimized for fuel mileage in sport mode, but the engine still will make the same amount of hp and tq in either mode.
Brandon,
Welcome to the site.
Hope you get your Maverick soon.
Meantime………..
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ITS DISGUSTING!
 
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Wow did you just step into a debate. I agree that leaner is meaner but richer can be quicker too. Until now I have never heard running richer won't get you more speed. My post was NOT wildly inaccurate. I run my motorcycles and boats as lean as I can but my vehicles a little to the rich side. You should see my diesel. I cant dump enough fuel to it. It's not pure throttle points because at the EXACT same power(as best as the gauge can do) the mpgs drop tremendously. Also this is a hybrid. Zero gears. Oh and BTW with ford it's generally towing that holds the higher rpm for rpms sake.
Nah, I’m not going to debate really. I’ve been tuning for over a decade now and understand how air / fuel ratios work. Richer doesn’t add speed and probably never will, unless it’s a diesel. The original debate was sport vs eco and there being a power difference, which is certainly not the case. The differences being they hold higher RPMs to hold turbo spool to increase throttle response. In the hybrids case, it’s a belt controlled by a centrifugal force primary clutch pack that spins a secondary. You can manipulate weight and speed at which the primary opens, thus giving the same effect of “holding a gear” and keeping rpms raised. This will also give the illusion of more power because you will again, have better throttle response because of being in the power band of the rpms.
 
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Nah, I’m not going to debate really. I’ve been tuning for over a decade now and understand how air / fuel ratios work. Richer doesn’t add speed and probably never will, unless it’s a diesel. The original debate was sport vs eco and there being a power difference, which is certainly not the case. The differences being they hold higher RPMs to hold turbo spool to increase throttle response. In the hybrids case, it’s a belt controlled by a centrifugal force primary clutch pack that spins a secondary. You can manipulate weight and speed at which the primary opens, thus giving the same effect of “holding a gear” and keeping rpms raised. This will also give the illusion of more power because you will again, have better throttle response because of being in the power band of the rpms.
Then your not a very educated tuner. Never deal in absolutes. When we drag boats running 10k rpms some run lean some run rich. Too lean and bang. To rich and problems as well. You must be good to break with tuners doing engines for 30 years and spending thousands on research.
Here is one graph from o e preference.
Ford Maverick Real world comparison: Eco Mode vs. Sport Mode on Hybrid Maverick (tried to keep short) Effects-of-air-fuel-ratio-variation-on-the-fuel-economy-and-power-generation-of-a
 

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Then your not a very educated tuner. Never deal in absolutes. When we drag boats running 10k rpms some run lean some run rich. Too lean and bang. To rich and problems as well. You must be good to break with tuners doing engines for 30 years and spending thousands on research.
Here is one graph from o e preference.
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So your graph proves my point further. If you were to reverse propagate that out further to the left, the graph line would continue to decline. Thus proving my point and disproving your statement of “more fuel equals more power.”
 
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So your graph proves my point further. If you were to reverse propagate that out further to the left, the graph line would continue to decline. Thus proving my point and disproving your statement of “more fuel equals more power.”
I'm assuming that you can't think I mean tons of fuel equals tons of power. You can go too far both ways. That graph proved my point and actually shows less power running lean which I disagree with. I kept my last Harley so lean I had to change plugs every 1500 miles. Ran like a scalded dig though. My current runs a little on the rich side.
 

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Does anyone know how to get the truck to stay in eco mode automatically? Is there a way to default into eco?
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