Ecoboost AWD vs AWD Hybrid MPG is closer than you think

[dochawk]

Then why does he not know the higher the numerical ratio number the "lower" the gear?

Likely because the "natural" way of thinking about this is in terms of how many times the rear turns, rather than the engine, with higher gears meaning more turns?

The ratio used for the "rear" end (whichever end it's really at) being measured backwards is a historical oddity.

As an engineer, it's "how much more can I finagle?"

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[AutobahnSHO]

I don't really see the point of the AWD hybrid. If you need the 4K tow, get the EB. If you legit need the AWD for snow, get the EB. Both scenarios (towing and long, cold winters) the EB just seems like the better choice. For whatever reason most people just seem to think they desperately need AWD though without thinking much about the efficiency loss and higher running cost long term.

It's all about what someone uses the truck for. Towing lots of weight all the time on highway? EB for sure.

Towing a few times per year but commuting city every day? Hybrid wins

 

[AutobahnSHO]

As for the original post- one 35mile drive is hardly enough to definitively say what the MPGs are.

I get 5mpg better than my wife on the same routes in the same weather, Maverick or the Odyssey we sold last year or the Civic we had before that.

 

[babytruk]

I get 5mpg better than my wife on the same routes in the same weather, Maverick or the Odyssey we sold last year or the Civic we had before that.

Same here with my “ex”. Now I’ve married somebody that can match MPGs and I’m so much happier LOL.
Pedal with to the floor or off. BTW many brake replacements and rotor work.

 

[HeyBales]

His 0-60 times mentioned in the video are garbage. He didn't give either truck a real chance to do their best, imo. I also got the impression he didn't put them in sport mode, since he mentioned the hybrid starts the run without the engine running... Sport mode keeps the engine running and makes a rather large difference for the hybrid, and brake torquing the ecoboost would make big difference too.

The 25MY hybrid in Sport mode keeps the ICE running when stopped?

He mentioned specifically not brake torquing the EB. And why he did both runs using auto-hold and a punch.

So he got some full traction motor torque as the ICE was spun up, compared to already running and TM added to the mix.

 

[HeyBales]

As for the original post- one 35mile drive is hardly enough to definitively say what the MPGs are.

I get 5mpg better than my wife on the same routes in the same weather, Maverick or the Odyssey we sold last year or the Civic we had before that.

Ya - he should have at least looped it twice - what's 1 hr of time for better accuracy.
Unless he kept getting behind that 1 driver that killed his comparisons by going way slower, and had to keep redoing it anyway.
Gotta pick a good route and night time drive with no others around.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

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Then why does he not know the higher the numerical ratio number the "lower" the gear? He gets this wrong on every video talking about gearing.

3.5:1 ratio is higher than 5.13:1. To say it differently, 5.13 is a lower gear ratio than 3.5.

What he excels at is explaining ideas/concepts to people without the technical background to have incorporated the information into their knowledge set. Like I said, he is informative and entertaining most of the time.

Hey guy,

What you excel at understanding you suck at explaining.

5:1 is a higher gear ratio than 3:1.
Period. End of story.

"Drive" is usually about 1:1.

"Overdrive" is like 0.8 to 1.

"Low" or "Lowest Gear" is numbered 1 on your stick shift.

"High" or "Higher Gears" are numbered 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 on your stick shift. With the highest one (or two) being "overdrive".

The highest gear ratio is numbered 1 traditionally because that is what you start with from a stand still and as you accelerate and work your way up in wheel speed you work your way "up" the gears. You upshift to go faster. As you upshift, you lower the gear ratio.

 

[Kenv24]

No....It's not. That simple

 

[Toymaster]

Hey guy,

What you excel at understanding you suck at explaining.

5:1 is a higher gear ratio than 3:1.
Period. End of story.

"Drive" is usually about 1:1.

"Overdrive" is like 0.8 to 1.

"Low" or "Lowest Gear" is numbered 1 on your stick shift.

"High" or "Higher Gears" are numbered 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 on your stick shift. With the highest one (or two) being "overdrive".

The highest gear ratio is numbered 1 traditionally because that is what you start with from a stand still and as you accelerate and work your way up in wheel speed you work your way "up" the gears. You upshift to go faster. As you upshift, you lower the gear ratio.

Well, I can explain it to you but can't make you understand it. You are incorrect sir. Read what I wrote till you understand, or better yet, go to college and get a degree.

Study the ratio below very carefully. Also, each is 4.46:1, 2.71:1, etc. the ":1" is left out because every one know this. The numbers are the times an input shaft has to rotate for an output to rotate once or ":1". See how the larger first number is a lower gear, meaning more mechanical advantage. ???? You are correct about 1:1 (5th gear in the below chart) being direct drive, or stated just "drive". In over-drive the first number is smaller than one, meaning you have more than one output rotation to every input rotation.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

Well, I can explain it to you but can't make you understand it. You are incorrect sir. Read what I wrote till you understand, or better yet, go to college and get a degree.

Study the ratio below very carefully. Also, each is 4.46:1, 2.71:1, etc. the ":1" is left out because every one know this. The numbers are the times an input shaft has to rotate for an output to rotate once or ":1". See how the larger first number is a lower gear, meaning more mechanical advantage. ???? You are correct about 1:1 (5th gear in the below chart) being direct drive, or stated just "drive". In over-drive the first number is smaller than one, meaning you have more than one output rotation to every input rotation.

You seem to have come to agree with me now. Congrats. Your communication skills still need improvement.

Being a "gear head" you understand what the gears are doing. Dandy.

It is still apparent you are mis-using the word "ratio".

Lowest gear is ALWAYS the highest RATIO.

Always the highest difference in speed between engine rpm and wheel rpm (or driveshaft rpm).

Not saying you don't understand what's happening. Just how you used RATIO was bass ackwards.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

Ratio 1:2 = 1/2 = one half = 0.5x

Ratio 2:1 = 2/1 = two = 2x

Ratio 5:1 = 5/1 = five = 5x

Input 5000 RPM output 1000 RPM = high ratio as seen in a LOW GEAR.

If you argue with math; you will lose.
If you argue with a English teacher, you will lose too!

No need to reinvent the wheel.
It's all over the place in "black and white" print:

 

[Timothyd]

Indeed - the worse the traffic the better the hybrid does. My work truck is a MY26 XL AWD and when in town my runs can be 80-90% electric. On the highway under load I'm sure aerodynamics make more of a difference than engine. Until you let off the gas to go down hill and the ICE shuts off, anyway...

My days are filled with stop-and-go short runs in town mixed in with highway travel to different communities with more stop and go. No way a non-hydrid but otherwise identical truck would even come *close* to the same mileage over all. I know it's an unfair comparison, but the work van this work truck replaced cost more in gas alone than the Maverick costs to buy AND fuel up. And likely even covers the insurance costs.

My commuter is a MY25 hydrid XLT and even on my 15km commute into town I'm averaging at least 1/3 electric. Depending on traffic conditions it can be 50% on a single trip.

Will I ever save enough gas money to pay for it? No idea - that wasn't a factor in my decision to buy (either of the 2 we have).

It's quick enough and capable enough to suit our needs and no other "truck" comes close to the mileage we get with the way we drive them.

So yeah - on the highway they are likely close. In town it's not close. Dramatically different.

It depends.

 

[Master Blaster]

The 25MY hybrid in Sport mode keeps the ICE running when stopped?

He mentioned specifically not brake torquing the EB. And why he did both runs using auto-hold and a punch.

So he got some full traction motor torque as the ICE was spun up, compared to already running and TM added to the mix.

Sport mode shuts off the engine when stopped at a light on the 23 Hybrid. It also has that stupid fake shifting sound and throttle backoff for those that miss the feel of their slushbox for some reason.

 

[HeyBales]

Sport mode shuts off the engine when stopped at a light on the 23 Hybrid. It also has that stupid fake shifting sound and throttle backoff for those that miss the feel of their slushbox for some reason.

24MY same - ICE off when stopped.
Turns back on with brake release.

It's actually not just a sound - the RPM's are actually doing a traditional tranny increase before the ratio changes and it drops again.
I'd be curious if it's doing a band around the max torque RPM.
It's really not much of a wide RPM band - I had a screen shot in a post I'll never find.

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