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Ecoboost AWD vs AWD Hybrid MPG is closer than you think

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The hybrid excels from spring to fall local driving under 45 mph.
City/Suburban type driving.

A test now, or mostly Highway will remove much of the hybrid advantage. They are designed for urban use.
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I don't really see the point of the AWD hybrid. If you need the 4K tow, get the EB. If you legit need the AWD for snow, get the EB. Both scenarios (towing and long, cold winters) the EB just seems like the better choice. For whatever reason most people just seem to think they desperately need AWD though without thinking much about the efficiency loss and higher running cost long term.
I am in the market for an AWD hybrid. To me, it combines the efficiency of the hybrid with the capability of the EB AWD. The 4K tow being available on the hybrid is a bonus for me since I tow a 6x12 trailer about once a year.

I'd rather have a vehicle that covers 95% of what I need and then rent/borrow for the other 5%. Is the hybrid AWD going to be a backwoods offroader? No, but it'll let me cruise on the beach or through washes in the desert without too much worry about getting stuck, and let me abide by winter traction requirements in California. Typically DOT will close the highway before 4x4/AWD vehicles are required to chain up.

Is it gonna yank 4000lbs up the Grapevine like my diesel F-250 did? Probably not, but I'm not driving a diesel F-250 year round for the once a year I need to tow something. When that time comes, I can afford to take it a little slower. In the meantime, I'll enjoy the much lower running costs of the Maverick hybrid.

He kinda insinuated that the efficiency loss of the AWD hybrid vs. FWD hybrid may be more than the EPA numbers without backing it up testing the "old" FWD hybrid the same way.
That's sort of what I got as well, but as others have stated, I think the test was just executed poorly.

Two things to remember. 1. He is a presenter not an engineer. I have found several incorrect statements in his videos; at the same time most of the info is accurate and entertaining. 2. It matters how you drive the hybrid, a heavy foot is going to keep the gas motor on when others could/would be using the electric mode.
He reported that he drove a FWD hybrid and got over 50mpg, so I'd guess he has some experience or ability in driving a hybrid efficiently. I can't imagine AWD dinging 14mpg when the AWD only engages reactively. TFL's Denver 100 loop test got like 41mpg with the AWD hybrid.

His earlier videos were definitely more engineering-focused but he's turned into another sponsored YouTube car reviewer with a slight tilt toward engineering. I don't fault the guy too much if it gets the bills paid.
 

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It's probably pretty similar if you do almost all your time at 80mph or more and have a very heavy foot. I get just about 50mpg at 68mph and 60mpg in city driving in my Hybrid. My EcoBoost never got better than 35mpg highway and maybe 15mpg city.
 

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I don't really see the point of the AWD hybrid. If you need the 4K tow, get the EB. If you legit need the AWD for snow, get the EB. Both scenarios (towing and long, cold winters) the EB just seems like the better choice. For whatever reason most people just seem to think they desperately need AWD though without thinking much about the efficiency loss and higher running cost long term.
Speaking for myself at least, the towing and the winters very much apply. As such AWD is greatly preferable and 4k adds a lot of flexibility VS the base version. However, winter is only part of the year and for me towing is an occasional thing. I would prefer to have the benefits of a hybrid for the 75% of the time winter or towing aren't in play.
 

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It is to bad Ford doesn't offer the 1.5 ecoboost with a relaxed turbocharger and you could get up to 35-40 MPGs highway and 25 to 30 city
 

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ehh, and AI probably made up the whole thing anyway!


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It is to bad Ford doesn't offer the 1.5 ecoboost with a relaxed turbocharger and you could get up to 35-40 MPGs highway and 25 to 30 city
The 1.5L has an extremely poor oil pump designed requiring a wet belt drive that will not last 150k and destroys the engine when it fails. Just get a hybrid and easily beat those numbers.
 

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The 1.5L has an extremely poor oil pump designed requiring a wet belt drive that will not last 150k and destroys the engine when it fails. Just get a hybrid and easily beat those numbers.
I have heard about that wet belt problem. I had thought that ford had switched over to a chain. I did get the hybrid. 2024 and I get about 50 MPG's summer city and highway at 55 MPH. 35 MPG city highway at 10F in winter.
 

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Engineering Explained Fuel Economy, Ford Maverick Ecoboost vs Hybrid (timestamped)

There's alot of people changing their AFE Bias (Actual Fuel Economy Bias) because we all know the gauge is a Lie-o-meter. Engineering Explained posted a video of his AWD ecoboost and his new AWD Hybrid. I was surprised by his results on how not far off the MPG was on both under 30% city and 70% highway. 32MPG on EB, 36.6MPG. I took a screenshot of the methodology of testing in his video shown below. Either way I'm excited to welcome the hybrid Mavs to our circle. You have the best Mav Hybrid out of anyone! Also the Engineering Explained video is full Ford Maverick and was a ton of fun to watch for anyone. PS. the 0 to 60 between the two is closer than you might think too ;)
I have had both 22 XLT FX4 lux 4Ktow for 3.5 years, 17mpg local and amazing 32/35 highway, my new truck 25 Lariat hybrid 4Ktow am getting 30mpg consistently now winter months with heater, heated steering wheel and heated seats on all the time, during the summer I was getting closer to 38/40mpg. I only have had the Hybrid for 6 months now 4500 miles, I do mostly local short trip driving like 90/10%, I do get on the highways maybe once a week for a few exits for a Italian tune up.
Lots of people have asked me which one I liked best, it's about even but leaning toward ECO, power wise there very very close, for a old school guy at 74 when I open the hood and see the orange I don't want to touch anything, even though you don't have to touch anything, my days of working on cars is over.
I do love when I fill up and see the range at 300 with ECO and 600 with Hybrid.

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I wonder if you could invert the MPG comparison if the test is mostly high speed and the temperature is below 0 degrees F. 🤔🙃🤯
After 10k miles I am still at 44.8mpg overall, with variations of only +-.2mpg variation between fillups.
But I live in year-round heat with fastest road hitting 53mph (85kph).
“your actual mileage may vary”!
 
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I'm mostly running errands around town in my FWD hybrid, many of which start with a cold engine and therefore get poor MPG. My average per-tank MPG seems to hover around mid-40s, but it's pretty easy to get over 50 in heavy freeway traffic where the herd is lumbering along slowly. I think the difference between EB and hybrid is greatest at lower speeds, so that if you do mostly freeway driving, you will not see much benefit to the hybrid.
 

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Two things to remember. 1. He is a presenter not an engineer.
Uh, he IS an engineer, an automotive engineer to boot, and from what I can tell a very GOOD one....
 

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Well, to the OP's title... it may seem closer till you realize you are comparing the EB's best numbers to the hybrid's worst. The EB can get 32ish on the highway, well so can the hybrid, now let's see the EB get 50-60 in town. Oh, yeah, that's right it gets 15....

The EB is a "sport truck", granted. Have you tried the sport mode in the hybrid? All the low-end torque from the electric motor makes it quite zippy in town. I can zip around town and still get high 20's and low 30s while the EB is getting 15. Then try the "L", she ain't bad at all. Now add in the hybrid is the base motor. Hmmm, not so close after all.
 

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Uh, he IS an engineer, an automotive engineer to boot, and from what I can tell a very GOOD one....
Then why does he not know the higher the numerical ratio number the "lower" the gear? He gets this wrong on every video talking about gearing. My point being is if he does not know this fundamental mechanial engineering principle, there is a good chance he is not a formally educated M.E.. I could be wrong and this is just a gap in his knowledge, but which is a simplier explanation.

5:1 (said 5 to 1) means 5 revoultions of input per 1 output. This is called a mehcanical advantage. The more turns of input to make one output rotation the lower the gear ratio is.

3.5:1 ratio is higher than 5.13:1. To say it differently, 5.13 is a lower gear ratio than 3.5.

What he excels at is explaining ideas/concepts to people without the technical background to have incorporated the information into their knowledge set. Like I said, he is informative and entertaining most of the time.
 
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The "experiment" sounded like a great idea, but it's not "scientific". As soon as I got to "Both vehicles were filled up, to the first gas pump click, at the same fuel pump", I knew there were countless uncontrollable errors in data. Certainly enough variable to change the data by 2-3 MPG.

I'm not picking at anything, and I enjoyed the comparison. I just would not call it empirical data.
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