Ecoboost AWD vs AWD Hybrid MPG is closer than you think

[Gaidheal]

Indeed - the worse the traffic the better the hybrid does. My work truck is a MY26 XL AWD and when in town my runs can be 80-90% electric. On the highway under load I'm sure aerodynamics make more of a difference than engine. Until you let off the gas to go down hill and the ICE shuts off, anyway...

My days are filled with stop-and-go short runs in town mixed in with highway travel to different communities with more stop and go. No way a non-hydrid but otherwise identical truck would even come *close* to the same mileage over all. I know it's an unfair comparison, but the work van this work truck replaced cost more in gas alone than the Maverick costs to buy AND fuel up. And likely even covers the insurance costs.

My commuter is a MY25 hydrid XLT and even on my 15km commute into town I'm averaging at least 1/3 electric. Depending on traffic conditions it can be 50% on a single trip.

Will I ever save enough gas money to pay for it? No idea - that wasn't a factor in my decision to buy (either of the 2 we have).

It's quick enough and capable enough to suit our needs and no other "truck" comes close to the mileage we get with the way we drive them.

So yeah - on the highway they are likely close. In town it's not close. Dramatically different.

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[DaddyDan]

TFL Ford Maverick Hybrid AWD Denver 100 MPG test (run it again!)

 

[grandpopa'sMPGs]

Sumer time 50MPGs cold winter 35 MPGs for 2024 hybrid, hand calculated. MPG gage reeds 110% of actual MPGS

 

[DWV]

Well no something that rhymes with mitt. The hybrid on the highway doesn't really make much if any use of the electric mode. Hybrids works best in city conditions or heavy traffic where you it makes better use of the electric mode.

A little secret you learn on the streets to get better gas mileage in the city, it's a called a syphon pump and someone else's gas tank.

Highway and local mileage is all about "how" one drives. One driver/style to another is a big factor in low or higher mpg. JMHO

 

[zen_]

It would be interesting to see a proper comparison of the FWD hybrid vs. AWD hybrid vs. AWD EB in something like 70/30 city/highway vs. 30/70 city/highway. He kinda insinuated that the efficiency loss of the AWD hybrid vs. FWD hybrid may be more than the EPA numbers without backing it up testing the "old" FWD hybrid the same way.

I don't really see the point of the AWD hybrid. If you need the 4K tow, get the EB. If you legit need the AWD for snow, get the EB. Both scenarios (towing and long, cold winters) the EB just seems like the better choice. For whatever reason most people just seem to think they desperately need AWD though without thinking much about the efficiency loss and higher running cost long term.

 

[grandpopa'sMPGs]

When I drive my 2024 hybrid maverick in summer the gage will usually show that 2/3 to 80% of the mileage was on electric only. This gauge is factual. The MPGs gage is not.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

When I drive my 2024 hybrid maverick in summer the gage will usually show that 2/3 to 80% of the mileage was on electric only. This gauge is factual. The MPGs gage is not.

You can fix the gas gauge to be 99.5% accurate in 5 minutes.

The owner can adjust the formula used to calculate the number on the dash.

See AFE Bias for more info.

I did adjust mine. My MPG and miles remaining are 99.5% accurate now.

Impossible to be perfect every time.

 

[ttrebot]

i'm about 65/35 (city/highway) on my 24 hybrid. mild summer and winters (California) and over 16k miles I'm averaging 45mpg. but I'm a bit older and usually keep to speed limits-ish. I keep track of my mileage separately and found that the stated dashboard MPG value is consistently about 3 or 4 miles higher than actual.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

Traditionally being 5% off was accepted as "margin of error".

As technology improved, the "error" remained 5%. But now ALWAYS on the high side.

Deceptive? Yes. Also small enough not to get sued.

It's globally recognized that vehicles ALWAYS display high.

It's not an accident.
It's not random.

Most don't know and of those that know; most don't care.

 

[surfstar]

Traditionally being 5% off was accepted as "margin of error".

As technology improved, the "error" remained 5%. But now ALWAYS on the high side.

Deceptive? Yes. Also small enough not to get sued.

It's globally recognized that vehicles ALWAYS display high.

It's not an accident.
It's not random.

Most don't know and of those that know; most don't care.

Agreed 100%
All makes do this.

Most also seem to have your speedo read ~2mph high from the factory.

Both biases are introduced in a way to be better for the consumer - think they're getting better mpg; think they're driving faster than they are.

 

[surfstar]

Do you think using the same gas pump and the doing the run in both directions has any merit?

It would if they repeated the test many times and also did much longer tests - more miles and more gallons before refueling. There is simply no way to have an accurate test when pumping 1.0xx gallons outside of a lab.

But that's not the reason this video exists - it was made for clicks/views/ad dollars; not for scientific reporting.

 

[rallyshark]

His 0-60 times mentioned in the video are garbage. He didn't give either truck a real chance to do their best, imo. I also got the impression he didn't put them in sport mode, since he mentioned the hybrid starts the run without the engine running... Sport mode keeps the engine running and makes a rather large difference for the hybrid, and brake torquing the ecoboost would make big difference too.

 

[Deleted User 24227]

That’s not surprising at all given that the large majority of miles were highway.

Also unless I missed it I didn't hear how many miles were on the hybrid, was beyond the break in miles where mpgs are optimal.

 

[MaverickDragon]

The same course doesn't mean the same conditions, as traffic, wind and temperature can vary.
On a short run, those differences can be considerable.

Especially for the hybrid, thoughtful driving can make a huge difference in the resulting mpg's, if the ability to drive electric miles are enhanced by the operator.
That option isn't legally available and/ or recommended in an ICE only vehicle with a conventional automatic trans.

As far as AWD goes, there are two kinds of drivers where I live.
Those who drive home in an AWD/4WD vehicle, and those who get stuck trying to get home.
To say a hybrid AWD isn't needed ignores that reality.

 

[Toymaster]

Two things to remember. 1. He is a presenter not an engineer. I have found several incorrect statements in his videos; at the same time most of the info is accurate and entertaining. 2. It matters how you drive the hybrid, a heavy foot is going to keep the gas motor on when others could/would be using the electric mode. Since he has never owned a hybrid I'm sure he does not know all the 'tricks' and was just concentrating on using the same amount of gas pedal in his route.

In the end he said if buying new at this time he would get the hybrid AWD but the cost/benefit of the trade is not there for him, so he will keep his EB.

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