2025 Maverick Hybrid HF55 Transaxle Info (nice write up)

[710-oil-614]

Programming could account for this if the hardware remained the same.

It's probably a tiny hardware tweak with a software tweak too.

It is a significant hardware and software tweak.

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[710-oil-614]

I would be very interested in how that happened. FWD ecoboost on 87? Slow reaction time?

But but…nobody can tell the difference between 87 and 93

 

[DevoMcDev0]

Ok

But but…nobody can tell the difference between 87 and 93

On tank 1.5.

Filled up with 93 with 185 miles to go with whatever the dealer filled it with.

Local station was out of regular and selling 93 for 87 cost.

I am not seeing huge mileage increases so far.

I am using slightly more electric than gas, something the 24 never did though.

Local 55 mph max driving, with hills.

 

[BLUEOVALRACER]

https://www.caranddriver.com/ford/maverick

Interesting in that test in the 75 mph Freeway Test the AWD FX4 with the 2.0 Turbo got 29 MPG and the Hybrid only got 1 MPG better at 30 MPG.

 

[710-oil-614]

Ok


On tank 1.5.

Filled up with 93 with 185 miles to go with whatever the dealer filled it with.

Local station was out of regular and selling 93 for 87 cost.

I am not seeing huge mileage increases so far.

I am using slightly more electric than gas, something the 24 never did though.

Local 55 mph max driving, with hills.

You would not see any difference as the 2.5L Hybrid is mapped to 87.

Where as the EcoBoost power numbers are mapped to 91 octane so using 87 will cause a reduction of power somewhere between 7-10%

 

[710-oil-614]

Interesting in that test in the 75 mph Freeway Test the AWD FX4 with the 2.0 Turbo got 29 MPG and the Hybrid only got 1 MPG better at 30 MPG.

Not really interesting, rather expected.

 

[AutobahnSHO]

I skipped a bunch of pages, but saw someone asking for PHEV.

Real life usage shows 50% of PHEV owners stop bothering to plug it in after a short while. It's a bit of hassle for a bit of gas savings, and many people don't care enough to keep plugging it in.

However I would LOVE a "double" battery Hybrid- people could get more out of their regen and reduce gas usage even more!

 

[Waterick]

I skipped a bunch of pages, but saw someone asking for PHEV.

Real life usage shows 50% of PHEV owners stop bothering to plug it in after a short while. It's a bit of hassle for a bit of gas savings, and many people don't care enough to keep plugging it in.

However I would LOVE a "double" battery Hybrid- people could get more out of their regen and reduce gas usage even more!

I think you will see larger hybrid batteries as technologies allow them to be lighter. Probably current sizing is more less optimized for what's currently available at reasonable cost today.

 

[710-oil-614]

I think you will see larger hybrid batteries as technologies allow them to be lighter. Probably current sizing is more less optimized for what's currently available at reasonable cost today.

The battery size is fairly optimal for the drivetrain in place. A larger battery capacity would be beneficial only if you could consistently charge it through regenerative braking. To increase regenerative braking capabilities you would need to further increase the size of the electric motors - which we're finding out was quite the feat to do for this current HF55 transaxle so it would take a substantial design change to accommodate a significantly larger battery.

I am sure they could have went from 1.1kwh capacity to something like 1.3 or 1.4kwh and the current system would be able to utilize the extra capacity but thinking something like a 3 or 4kwh battery you would not likely realize the extra capacity regularly.

EDIT: But I agree - and I think the "best" hybrid would be one that has a smaller turbocharged motor (think 1.5L 3 cylinder from Bronco Sport) and much larger electric motors that would handle more of the acceleration and driving then the engine can kick on to provide cruising power and spin the motor generator.

Honda's hybrid system is entirely different from Ford/Toyota and they run a series hybrid (electric OR gas, but never both powering vehicle at same time) which requires the Honda hybrids to have much larger electric motors and makes it feel more like an EV with it powering the vehicle. Even when the gas engine kicks on anytime below highway speed (I think 62 mph or less) it is never actually directly powering the vehicle - it is simply charging the battery to power the electric motors moving the vehicle.

 

[colinl]

The battery size is fairly optimal for the drivetrain in place. A larger battery capacity would be beneficial only if you could consistently charge it through regenerative braking. To increase regenerative braking capabilities you would need to further increase the size of the electric motors - which we're finding out was quite the feat to do for this current HF55 transaxle so it would take a substantial design change to accommodate a significantly larger battery.

that isn't really true given the Escape PHEV uses this same ecvt.

I agree on the first sentence, though. the maverick FHEV battery does work for its intended purpose and I'm sure it was a balance of cost, size, and weight. they've used that specific battery a while now, and I doubt it will change until they can use something cheaper, which likely will have more capacity in the same footprint as well.

 

[710-oil-614]

that isn't really true given the Escape PHEV uses this same ecvt.

I agree on the first sentence, though. the maverick FHEV battery does work for its intended purpose and I'm sure it was a balance of cost, size, and weight. they've used that specific battery a while now, and I doubt it will change until they can use something cheaper, which likely will have more capacity in the same footprint as well.

Yes because a PHEV doesn't have to worry about charging the HVB back to full capacity. When it runs out it turns into a normal hybrid and likely doesn't charge the HVB capacity much beyond what is already in the normal HEVs - again maybe maybe up to 2kwh of charge and use.

You put the Escape's PHEV battery into a Maverick without the ability to charge from plugging in and you're going to get very limited extra capacity and use.

 

[ListedGuru]

New Maverick video out from The Fast Lane Truck today where they do a 0-60 test in their 25 AWD Hybrid. They are in Colorado so like 5200 feet above sea level so that's not helping. Anyway they came up with 7.99 FWIW. The test starts at just past the 14 minute mark:

 

[710-oil-614]

New Maverick video out from The Fast Lane Truck today where they do a 0-60 test in their 25 AWD Hybrid. They are in Colorado so like 5200 feet above sea level so that's not helping. Anyway they came up with 7.99 FWIW. The test starts at just past the 14 minute mark:

I love TFL and Andre but take anything they do benchmarking with a huge grain of salt - and that includes their MPG tests as well.

 

[HeyBales]

New Maverick video out from The Fast Lane Truck today where they do a 0-60 test in their 25 AWD Hybrid. They are in Colorado so like 5200 feet above sea level so that's not helping. Anyway they came up with 7.99 FWIW. The test starts at just past the 14 minute mark:

Hmmm - no more shift points in Sport mode, I don't think I heard them?
I've not a done a 0-60 full slam, so perhaps then it doesn't do the changing of RPM's to mimic a shift.

Or have they removed that effect from 25MY even with normal driving in Sport?

@Ryom - you've commented using Sport on every day driving in your 25MY - does it do the RPM changes to mimic shifting?

 

[The Real Maverick]

Hmmm - no more shift points in Sport mode, I don't think I heard them?
I've not a done a 0-60 full slam, so perhaps then it doesn't do the changing of RPM's to mimic a shift.

Or have they removed that effect from 25MY even with normal driving in Sport?

So when I watched the Salt Lake City Dude's 0-60 test; I looked at the G meter.

It looked to me like from the stair steps in G force the Hybrid was fake shifting. But; without being there, could have been a bumpy road too.

Not a scientific test.

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