What does it take to get 300whp?

[The Macf]

Just like the title says.

I ordered the Panda stage 2 which includes the intake, CVF intercooler and tune (91 octane).
Will that be enough or do I need to do the dreaded downpipe as well?

Thanks!

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[Dueces]

Alan at Edge Autosport did it with just an E30 tune on his dyno in Colorado if I recall correctly.

 

[KJWOLKE2010]

How will you know what you have unless you put it on a dyno? Better yet what does it do for you? More hp = equals more fuel consumption. So why buy a truck built for fuel economy then try to make it uneconomical? Maybe as a retired person who just needs to use a vehicle for transporting me and stuff I don't get it. Not a criticism just don't quite understand the engine modifications on a 4 cyl. Maybe it is a generation difference.

Why did they modify underpowered flathead v8 cars post WWII? They were cheap, widely available, and had solid aftermarket support. It's not really that different.

 

[AutobahnSHO]

Why did they modify underpowered flathead v8 cars post WWII? They were cheap, widely available, and had solid aftermarket support. It's not really that different.

Because
1- they didn't have warranties
2- there weren't faster cars available at reasonable prices at that time
3- no computers to worry about
4- people who drove had to mess with carb tuning and stuff like that just to keep them running anyway

 

[KJWOLKE2010]

Because
1- they didn't have warranties
2- there weren't faster cars available at reasonable prices at that time
3- no computers to worry about
4- people who drove had to mess with carb tuning and stuff like that just to keep them running anyway

1- The warranty is a lot easier to navigate if you read into the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act.

2- I hardly believe the "built vs bought" argument isn't almost as old as the auto industry itself.

3- There's no computer to worry about if you go about it right. There's hardly a computer to worry about if you do it wrong (we've literally been bypassing the rear o2 sensor by moving the sensor far enough out of the exhaust stream for decades, and it works just as well as when the first person figured out you can drill out a spark plug non fouler and have an O2 spacer at the cost of a song).

4- So what you're saying is we should be less inclined to modify a car because keeping the car running is...easier?

 

[Kpankow]

How will you know what you have unless you put it on a dyno? Better yet what does it do for you? More hp = equals more fuel consumption. So why buy a truck built for fuel economy then try to make it uneconomical? Maybe as a retired person who just needs to use a vehicle for transporting me and stuff I don't get it. Not a criticism just don't quite understand the engine modifications on a 4 cyl. Maybe it is a generation difference.

As a retired person, I've modified every vehicle I've ever owned, just to make them faster. It's a sickness many of us have.

 

[AutobahnSHO]

1- The warranty is a lot easier to navigate if you read into the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act.

2- I hardly believe the "built vs bought" argument isn't almost as old as the auto industry itself.

3- There's no computer to worry about if you go about it right. There's hardly a computer to worry about if you do it wrong (we've literally been bypassing the rear o2 sensor by moving the sensor far enough out of the exhaust stream for decades, and it works just as well as when the first person figured out you can drill out a spark plug non fouler and have an O2 spacer at the cost of a song).

4- So what you're saying is we should be less inclined to modify a car because keeping the car running is...easier?

NO. I'm saying
1- the cars being modified back then didn't have ANY warranty. There was no reason at all the manufacturer would support them for free after purchase.
2- Economy of scale means a high performance car built by a factory vs an individual will be cheaper.
3- Sure but other modifications require computer tuning (changing to a bigger turbo, injectors, whatever).
4- I'm saying that nowadays most people just get in a car and drive it and take it in for oil changes. Fewer people are wrenching on their car on a continual basis just to get to work compared to the hot rod/ tuning era of the 1950s.

 

[AutobahnSHO]

Magnuson protects you for using aftermarket parts that are equal to the OEM in function and design. It does NOT protect for modifying the vehicle outside of the manufacturers as delivered state. For example you can buy any brand of oil, filters, tires, brake pads etc. that meet the OEM specs. You can NOT use items that do not meet those specs and use Magnuson as an argument. Another example, if use 30w50 oil that is not covered under Magnuson!

Read my other numbered reply. I'm not saying anything about our warranties- I'm saying there were not warranties back in the 1950s. If you gotta replace stuff that wears out fast yourself, why not upgrade it a little?

 

[Vettereddie]

How will you know what you have unless you put it on a dyno? Better yet what does it do for you? More hp = equals more fuel consumption. So why buy a truck built for fuel economy then try to make it uneconomical? Maybe as a retired person who just needs to use a vehicle for transporting me and stuff I don't get it. Not a criticism just don't quite understand the engine modifications on a 4 cyl. Maybe it is a generation difference.

Don't think of it as modifying a a vehicle built for fuel economy, think of it as modifying the cheapest vehicle (not truck, all vehicles) in the Ford line-up to get better performance. Less $$$ at the dealer means more $$$ for go fast parts!

Now if they were modding the hybrid, specifically built for fuel economy and at a higher cost, for better performance then I could see your point.

Sadly the muscle and sports cars of my parent's generation have now been priced out of the range of those just starting out and even the imports now. We've been making our own fun out of econoboxes since the hot hatches of the 90's and now finally a resurgence of the mini sport truck.

Ford Mustang GT: $46k
Ford Focus ST: RIP
Chevy Camero: RIP
Chevy Corvette: $68k
Dodge Charger: $59k
Dodge Challenger: RIP
Mazda Speed3: RIP
Honda Civic Type R: $45k
Nissan Z: $43k
Toyota Supra: $57k
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO: RIP
Subaru WRX: $42k

About the only halfway sporty rides available under $40k are the Toyota GR86 ($30k), Honda Civic Si ($31k), Mazda MX-5 Miata ($37k), and the Maverick Lobo ($35k).

 

[OWP]

Its not generational or warranty based, certainly not across the board, it's hotrodding. There is no logic or financial sense needed, its a drive to see if you can make it better/faster/etc. Sometimes it takes form in other mods not directly related to the powertrain, but its still the same kind of drive.
You either get it or you don't.

 

[Cherokee]

Gluttony is a sin.
Always wanting more, more MORE !

I swiftly took my 24 Ecoboost up to 105 mph
This turbo 4 banger is fast as shit !
Similar power to the V-8’s of the 60’s and 70’s

I ain’t Effin with it. It’s a 4 banger.
Cold air intake my ass,
If it’s 80 degrees out side my engine grabs 80 degree air.
Sorry, I gotta be me. :’P

 

[Randorita]

See AutobahnSHO's reply and you have the answer. Why did I have to change points and plugs every month in 1975 on my 63 Fairlane just to get it to run? Because it was OLD technology. Today you are willing to spend thousands to try and defeat the onboard controls of the engine to what end? My 63 Failane with a 260 V8 had 164 HP and that is not whp. It could time it going from 0 to 60 with a weekly calendar . Plus when it was NEW it came with a 3 month warranty and if those cars didn't rust out in 5 years they likely would need an engine rebuild by 75k miles. Todays vehicles run better, last longer, etc. I also do not understand why people put exhaust that sounds like a swarm of bees on their sedans.

Could have been worse! I had a '63 Comet with a straight 6!

 

[Buggy Man]

See AutobahnSHO's reply and you have the answer. Why did I have to change points and plugs every month in 1975 on my 63 Fairlane just to get it to run? Because it was OLD technology. Today you are willing to spend thousands to try and defeat the onboard controls of the engine to what end? My 63 Failane with a 260 V8 had 164 HP and that is not whp. It could time it going from 0 to 60 with a weekly calendar . Plus when it was NEW it came with a 3 month warranty and if those cars didn't rust out in 5 years they likely would need an engine rebuild by 75k miles. Todays vehicles run better, last longer, etc. I also do not understand why people put exhaust that sounds like a swarm of bees on their sedans.

I remember back in the 60's that it was cool to have a 2-door sedan Chevy Biscayne - the cheapest Chevy built with a 409 cid big block. It was called a "SLEEPER" because nobody expected a cheap car to be so fast.
That is the whole thing in a nut shell. The concept is still alive today.
Like - No little Maverick 4-banger is going to blow away my VW Type R.

 

[Timothyd]

How will you know what you have unless you put it on a dyno? Better yet what does it do for you? More hp = equals more fuel consumption. So why buy a truck built for fuel economy then try to make it uneconomical? Maybe as a retired person who just needs to use a vehicle for transporting me and stuff I don't get it. Not a criticism just don't quite understand the engine modifications on a 4 cyl. Maybe it is a generation difference.

Yep, my Maverick is there to get me around and haul and be thrifty which is what it was designed for. If I want to go faster I'll take my sports car or the motorcycle.

 

[Timothyd]

Would love to have a 63 Comet today. Put a 2.0EB in it!

Those straight sixes were great work engines. I'd like to put that 2.0 in my old Spitfire. It's heavy and I think that 4 banger makes about 70hp. With two carbs.

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