Transmission grenaded

[jonmparker]

Yea I didn't post this to expect a FORD response. IF they responded that would be a bonus I guess but not expectation. It was mostly for awareness on a issue. It appears that I am not the only one with the issue and if those issues become documented then possibly the chance for a recall or something.
Also posted for the next person to be aware of the price if it happens to them

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[CX430-4ME]

Two things I have noticed that "may" be playing a role in failures...

1) When I serviced my transmission it was over full. I drained out just over 6qts and it only took just shy of 5qts to start running out of the level plug at full opperating temp. when I refilled it. Could the factory be over filling the transmissions?? Anyone else seen this?

2) Seems like most or all publicized failures are in AWD Mavericks. Could that have something to do with it? Not sure if the one in this post was AWD or FWD?

 

[colinl]

2) Seems like most or all publicized failures are in AWD Mavericks. Could that have something to do with it? Not sure if the one in this post was AWD or FWD?

no. there are not many fwd ecoboost mavericks, but there are a lot of fwd transit and escapes with the 8F35 transmission. the presence or absence of a PTU / center differential is not significant in the reliability of the transmission.

 

[Tom 71 Maverick 24]

Two things I have noticed that "may" be playing a role in failures...

1) When I serviced my transmission it was over full. I drained out just over 6qts and it only took just shy of 5qts to start running out of the level plug at full opperating temp. when I refilled it. Could the factory be over filling the transmissions?? Anyone else seen this?

2) Seems like most or all publicized failures are in AWD Mavericks. Could that have something to do with it? Not sure if the one in this post was AWD or FWD?

It would REALLY be nice if these transmissions had an actual dipstick.

My theory would be that when you drained and filled it, oil had drained out of parts of the transmission that normally hold fluid, but were not refilled. My solution, and this is just a guess, is to fill to the point it spills out, cap the level plug, drive a bit warming up the transmission and getting the fluid dispersed throughout, then pulling the level plug and adding more fluid to top it off.

I am purely speculating here. A dipstick would really be the best way to do it - but there is none.

 

[Guv]

no. there are not many fwd ecoboost mavericks, but there are a lot of fwd transit and escapes with the 8F35 transmission. the presence or absence of a PTU / center differential is not significant in the reliability of the transmission.

colini,
Thanks for this information. Do you know if Fords other vehicles with this trans are experiencing the same problems?
I can remember my dad telling me in the 60’s that a lot of autos (C4,C6, etc.) did not get a fluid change until it was time for a rebuild.
Having said that, most all autos back then had drain plugs on the converters allowing a pretty complete fluid change.
Also, there aren’t any transmission shops capable of rebuilding a 8F35?
Thanks

 

[AVC]

it's Ford Marketing Customer Service.

they cannot do anything about warranty claims. they can do less than nothing about a transmission over 60k miles that a dealership has already repaired/replaced.

between that and the lengthy extended warranty sidebar, this thread is a mess.

If you look at their posts, they interject re: quite a number of "issues". They're better staying in the puffery lane, than expressing concern and alluding that they can help in some way. Instead, when it REALLY hits the fan, they are no where to be found.

Both dealerships are apparently whistling, looking at the sky. No goodwill. Heck, even Toyota or Honda would mull a partial goodwill repair, 17k out of warranty AND serviced at 60k, BY A DEALER, yes?

 

[colinl]

Both dealerships are apparently whistling, looking at the sky. No goodwill.

you're saying a lot of very interesting things that I can't see the justification for in this thread, but I'm most curious about who is the second dealership you've inserted into this? the OP bought his truck from dealership A, who he says is too far away to use for service. so he had dealership B change the fluid, and as I speculated in prior posts in some detail, I think they may have actually caused the leak.

perhaps then, the leak and/or underfill then caused premature failure. op says it was working fine prior to being serviced. but this isn't the only explanation and there's no way to diagnose it now.

Ford dealerships are not Ford Motor Company. why do you think Ford Motor Company owes the OP anything simply because one of their dealerships did some work on a transmission out of warranty? my speculation is just that. there is no proof, and not likely to ever be any, that dealership B caused the issue or repaired it badly after the OP noticed the leak.

once again, I feel badly for the OP. I just don't see why you think someone owes him anything at this point. *before* he agreed to let dealership B repair it (at least) twice, he could have asked questions and raised concerns. too late now, I'm afraid.

 

[Richard2212]

Yea so 23 Maverick XL Eco. 76,400.1 miles and my transmission cratered on me. had the fluid changed at 60k miles. yes I drive 150 miles a day in West Texas. I don't hot rod or even tow with it. luckily It died in Kerrville so my tow was only a couple miles, bad news a remanufactured transmission is $7300. This Sucks. no option or a new one.

Jasper is a recognized Remanufacturer for Ford. They are in Indiana. About $3100. Rebuilt,upgraded and verified on a Test Stand. Should be able to swap for $1000. Labor.

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[Richard2212]

Yea so 23 Maverick XL Eco. 76,400.1 miles and my transmission cratered on me. had the fluid changed at 60k miles. yes I drive 150 miles a day in West Texas. I don't hot rod or even tow with it. luckily It died in Kerrville so my tow was only a couple miles, bad news a remanufactured transmission is $7300. This Sucks. no option or a new one.

https://products.jasperengines.com/...0fp0ijMRr7kM0Zh6c8jAffb2cn7ZD5AhoCc-8QAvD_BwE

 

[Montana]

Dang, wasn't expecting to see 5 pages here.

At least your new setup is G2G!

Jasper is a recognized Remanufacturer for Ford. They are in Indiana. About $3100. Rebuilt,upgraded and verified on a Test Stand. Should be able to swap for $1000. Labor.

https://products.jasperengines.com/...0fp0ijMRr7kM0Zh6c8jAffb2cn7ZD5AhoCc-8QAvD_BwE

I used them for a 5.4 F150. Got me to 130k then started having top end issues like so many other 2V and 3V's did. Shop wanted to use somewhere else and I noped out of that real quick. Downside: Jasper is not cheap.

Ended up trading it in with around 170k on it after that. But that last 50k was night and day compared to the stock setup. Not only was it quieter, but with the melling pump the oil had no issues getting up top with the added pressure. I also did tons of other stuff of course. That truck was an effing problem. The IWE, the top end/timing disasters, the valve body, frame rust (rust in general)... my gawd. I'm shocked that thing made it as long as it did without totally falling apart.

 

[jonmparker]

so, is that covered by the FORD warranty? what did it cost you


?

$7300

 

[jonmparker]

Two things I have noticed that "may" be playing a role in failures...

1) When I serviced my transmission it was over full. I drained out just over 6qts and it only took just shy of 5qts to start running out of the level plug at full opperating temp. when I refilled it. Could the factory be over filling the transmissions?? Anyone else seen this?

2) Seems like most or all publicized failures are in AWD Mavericks. Could that have something to do with it? Not sure if the one in this post was AWD or FWD?

FWD

 

[WJOHNM]

it's water under the bridge now, but it always bothers me when someone does a fluid flush and then shortly after that component has issues.

was it having symptoms before the fluid flush, or did you just do it as an early / preventative maintenance? (ford says the transmission fluid is due for replacement at 150k, which many people think is overly long / delayed.)

I worked for a dealer in the 80s and 90s we had a few vehicles with higher miles that wouldn't come off the lift after a fluid change, got sued ended up doing job at cost, from then on we wouldn't do any fluid changes unless we had a history on the vehicle or proof
you changed the fluid before, it seems that old fluid was holding everything together.
Don't mess with tranny fluid, change your fluid when the owner's manual says too or sooner !! your also going to have warranty problems if you have a problem and didn't change your fluid. That goes for all your fluids.

 

[WJOHNM]

Isn’t drivetrain 5yr 60,000?

Not lf you dont change your fluid when your supposed to.

 

[pigsareus]

Yea so 23 Maverick XL Eco. 76,400.1 miles and my transmission cratered on me. had the fluid changed at 60k miles. yes I drive 150 miles a day in West Texas. I don't hot rod or even tow with it. luckily It died in Kerrville so my tow was only a couple miles, bad news a remanufactured transmission is $7300. This Sucks. no option or a new one.

Yea so 23 Maverick XL Eco. 76,400.1 miles and my transmission cratered on me. had the fluid changed at 60k miles. yes I drive 150 miles a day in West Texas. I don't hot rod or even tow with it. luckily It died in Kerrville so my tow was only a couple miles, bad news a remanufactured transmission is $7300. This Sucks. no option or a new one.

wow...that price is ridiculous...did you try checking out junk yards? There's been enough totaled Mavs out there that there have to be some low mile trans's out there waiting to be harvested....

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