Removing the Telematics void the warranty?

[HeyBales]

Removing the power to the module doesn't remove the ability to send up info?

The module is no longer able to report to a scanner as existing, you can't enable WiFi without it displaying an error, you can't display the modem SIM info.

How could it not be killing the system.
Hopefully you are just as skeptical of these "videos" as you are of responses on here.

This post was in reference to the TCU (called "the system"), and removing the fuse for it.

The TCU is a module. It is the same as the other modules in the truck, as it receives power, and is attached to a network. The TCU is also connected to an antenna.

If the TCU module is not receiving power, it cannot send data (info).

With power removed, if you have a scanner (OBDII scan tool, or one of many apps that does the same, or a ScanGauge), this TCU module no longer reports to it.
In addition, you cannot enable the WiFi option in the truck infotainment center settings, or you will get an error.
In addition, the ability to display the modem cellular info is no longer available in the truck infotainment center settings.


BlueSpec1's post highlights why all that happens.

ETA: strike comment regarding testing more than fuse 11 on TCU.

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[CB900F]

This post was in reference to the TCU (called "the system"), and removing the fuse for it.

The TCU is a module. It is the same as the other modules in the truck, as it receives power, and is attached to a network. The TCU is also connected to an antenna.

If the TCU module is not receiving power, it cannot send data (info).

With power removed, if you have a scanner (OBDII scan tool, or one of many apps that does the same, or a ScanGauge), this TCU module no longer reports to it.
In addition, you cannot enable the WiFi option in the truck infotainment center settings, or you will get an error.
In addition, the ability to display the modem cellular info is no longer available in the truck infotainment center settings.


BlueSpec1's post highlights why all that happens.

I really appreciate that info.
I just reached out to the head boss at the dealership and she took my concerns seriously and responded immediately.
She is researching it and will get back to me.
I am hopeful that we can reach a compromise!
Fingers crossed.

Thanks again.

 

[CB900F]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/authorities-tesla-data-track-cybertruck-015814372.html

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

I really appreciate that info.
I just reached out to the head boss at the dealership and she took my concerns seriously and responded immediately.
She is researching it and will get back to me.
I am hopeful that we can reach a compromise!
Fingers crossed.

Thanks again.

Excellent keep us updated.

 

[icegradner]

If Ford wants to steal my 4th Ammendment right to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.
They have an ethical obligation to be upfront and honest about it. They should do it with transparency, and lay it out in plain english.
Covertly stashing tracking devices in a car that I paid my own money for is dishonest.
If a truth is buried in vague language within a 6-page disclosure, it is effectively a lie.

Sadly, I cancelled my order today. I was really looking forward to getting this Maverick. But this tracking shit has ruined it. And it's not just Ford that is pulling this shit.

Every single major automaker on the planet is doing this, it's not secret, and they have been doing it for at least the last 10-15 years. Security expects do show that American automakers are among the worst though, along with the VW auto group (VW, Audi, Porsche etc.)

 

[CB900F]

Every single major automaker on the planet is doing this, it's not secret, and they have been doing it for at least the last 10-15 years. Security expects do show that American automakers are among the worst though, along with the VW auto group (VW, Audi, Porsche etc.)

You know that, and we all here know that. But what percentage of people out there know it?

Ask 10 friends and you will get 9.75 blank stares!!!

My point is that our elected officials are allowing these automakers to hide secret Spyware and gps location tracking devices into OUR cars without complete transparency, and that, is (to me), is unconscionable.

More to the point, where does it stop?

This IS The United States of America!!

In the old days, (maybe 1776 through 2004), Law enforcement officials would need to petition the court showing probable cause for legal justification in order put tracking and/or listening devices into a car. That court order would have specific terms on what and where etc.
AND IT WOULD BE WRITTEN IN PLAIN ENGLISH!

MOST people don't care. I do.

Some will say that they don't care because they aren't doing anything wrong.

But that's like saying that because you have nothing to say, you don't care about the 1st Ammendment.

Hey, it's just how I feel. I'm not trying to insult anyone here. It's discussion for discussion sake.
I find it interesting to hear other's opinions even if they differ from my own.

Thanks

 

[Tbone289]

With power removed, if you have a scanner (OBDII scan tool, or one of many apps that does the same, or a ScanGauge), this TCU module no longer reports to it.
In addition, you cannot enable the WiFi option in the truck infotainment center settings, or you will get an error.

I have the TCU fuse 11 pulled and have WiFi functionality in my Maverick. I can enable it with no errors; it sees all local wireless networks, successfully connects to them and successfully checks for software updates. However, data is not transmitted through cellular to the Ford data center due to the deactivation of the cellular radio in the TCU module.

What error do you receive when you enable WiFi with the TCU fuse pulled?

If you read the documents that BlueSpec1 links to you will see that the TCU provides cellular communications and a personal WiFi access point. It doesn't say that the TCU handles all WiFi funtionality:

The Telematics Control Unit (TCU) integrates an on-board cellular communication module with a WiFi hotspot functionality and interacts with remote call/data centers to provide valuable services to the vehicle customer.

2.2 WIFI
The TCU supports IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n/ac 2.4/5GHz WiFi. TCU operates as a Personal Access Point.
Signal Specifications
Within the coverage areas, the WiFi signal from the TCU has a speed up to 20 Mbps with a bit
error rate of less than 2%. All coverage areas assume that the packaging guidelines referenced in this document have been adhered to.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

You know that, and we all here know that. But what percentage of people out there know it?

Ask 10 friends and you will get 9.75 blank stares!!!

My point is that our elected officials are allowing these automakers to hide secret Spyware and gps location tracking devices into OUR cars without complete transparency, and that, is (to me), is unconscionable.

More to the point, where does it stop?

This IS The United States of America!!

In the old days, (maybe 1776 through 2004), Law enforcement officials would need to petition the court showing probable cause for legal justification in order put tracking and/or listening devices into a car. That court order would have specific terms on what and where etc.
AND IT WOULD BE WRITTEN IN PLAIN ENGLISH!

MOST people don't care. I do.

Some will say that they don't care because they aren't doing anything wrong.

But that's like saying that because you have nothing to say, you don't care about the 1st Ammendment.

Hey, it's just how I feel. I'm not trying to insult anyone here. It's discussion for discussion sake.
I find it interesting to hear other's opinions even if they differ from my own.

Thanks

Totally and absolutely agree with you.
I often wonder why cops have LOCKS on their Lockers inside a Secure Police Station.
What are Cops hiding???
Through apathy, we voters allowed it to happen.
Don't get me started on agreeing to binding arbitration now whenever you buy something.

 

[BlueSpec1]

If you read the documents that BlueSpec1 links to you will see that the TCU provides cellular communications and a personal WiFi access point. It doesn't say that the TCU handles all WiFi funtionality:

Sounds right. Cellular radios and deleted WiFi Hotspot in the TCU.

I think the WiFi radios are in the Connected Radio ACM and Sync3 ACM (Audio Control Module) by the FCC IDs on the on their labels.

Added that to my post.

The Cellular radio transceivers, (deleted WiFi Hotspot) are in the TCU

The WiFi 2.4GHz, 5GHz transceivers are in the ACM : Connected Radio, Sync3
2022 Maverick XL/XLT MX71-18D804-GF
FCC ID: 2ACRLCTR = https://fccid.io/2ACRLCTR
https://fccid.io/ACJ-FG-185-SG32MH/Users-Manual/User-manual-3618266

2022 Maverick Lariat NZ6T-14G532-MBH
FCC ID ACJ-FG-185-SG32MH = https://fccid.io/ACJ-FG-185-SG32MH
https://fccid.io/ACJ-FG-185-SG32MH/Users-Manual/User-manual-3618266

 

[CB900F]

Totally and absolutely agree with you.
I often wonder why cops have LOCKS on their Lockers inside a Secure Police Station.
What are Cops hiding???
Through apathy, we voters allowed it to happen.
Don't get me started on agreeing to binding arbitration now whenever you buy something.

Ahaaaa, sounds like an intelligent person, who might even have some understanding of our legal system, histiry, maybe remmyou are one of those few people who take the time to read!!!

Thanks

 

[HeyBales]

I have the TCU fuse 11 pulled and have WiFi functionality in my Maverick. I can enable it with no errors; it sees all local wireless networks, successfully connects to them and successfully checks for software updates. However, data is not transmitted through cellular to the Ford data center due to the deactivation of the cellular radio in the TCU module.

What error do you receive when you enable WiFi with the TCU fuse pulled?

If you read the documents that BlueSpec1 links to you will see that the TCU provides cellular communications and a personal WiFi access point. It doesn't say that the TCU handles all WiFi funtionality:

Yep, corrected my post - had more pulled than just fuse 11 but didn't test other functions to see what else was dead. It's all been back now (and buried under snow) as I don't leave fuse 11 out, so won't be checking just yet.

Had been digging based on the PIDs for the TCU.
Had also found the FCC testing on the BCM module that contained some radio ability in it, or at least the part attached to the underdash fuse box, so was pulling too many things also listening for clicking to stop.

 

[icegradner]

You know that, and we all here know that. But what percentage of people out there know it?

Ask 10 friends and you will get 9.75 blank stares!!!

My point is that our elected officials are allowing these automakers to hide secret Spyware and gps location tracking devices into OUR cars without complete transparency, and that, is (to me), is unconscionable.

More to the point, where does it stop?

This IS The United States of America!!

In the old days, (maybe 1776 through 2004), Law enforcement officials would need to petition the court showing probable cause for legal justification in order put tracking and/or listening devices into a car. That court order would have specific terms on what and where etc.
AND IT WOULD BE WRITTEN IN PLAIN ENGLISH!

MOST people don't care. I do.

Some will say that they don't care because they aren't doing anything wrong.

But that's like saying that because you have nothing to say, you don't care about the 1st Ammendment.

Hey, it's just how I feel. I'm not trying to insult anyone here. It's discussion for discussion sake.
I find it interesting to hear other's opinions even if they differ from my own.

Thanks

I'm completely in agreement with you, so no hard feelings on my end. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if half or more out of those 10 people, should I happen to ask them, are likely to say they don't care. To me that's kind of sad, but the reality of the situation.

Elected officials are paid off, or likely invested in, these highly profitable data collection companies and are more than happy to keep things the way they are.

Not being American I won't comment on what's happening there, other than to say we have the same issues here.

 

[PNWMaverick]

You are misinformed about the extent of privacy that you give up

I have over 20 years in IT with a large portion of it having to pay attorneys money to defend privacy on a large scale.

I am incredibly informed and have, again, had to pay attorneys to write these agreements, let alone read them.

There are sensors in vehicles that phones don't have access to.

In the context of communications and privacy, you have that backwards. Your phone has privileges that the vehicle doesn't unless given explicit permissions. Your phone is gathering far more data on you than your vehicle.

Edit:

Having read your other completely unhinged responses, I can see that there isn't going to be any answer you like. You went on an entirely unprovoked tirade attacking someone for their writing, all while displaying the same shortcomings as the person you attacked.

Edit 2: Above edit is referencing OP and not Tbone.

 

[Tbone289]

In the context of communications and privacy, you have that backwards. Your phone has privileges that the vehicle doesn't not unless given explicit permissions. Your phone is gathering far more data on you than your vehicle.

Read again. I stated that a vehicle has sensors that the phone doesn't have access to. In other words, there are data that a vehicle can gather that a phone can't. I never stated that a vehicle gathers more data than a phone. So, no, I don't have anything backwards.

Edit: Thanks for adding edit two above, and I completely agree about the tirade. People who can't construct complete sentences shouldn't be criticizing other people's grammar.

 

[NCXLT]

Respectfully, if you believe that pulling #11 kills the system, you should watch some videos on the subject.
I was asking a simple question about warranty, not looking for a debate or an opinion on what might cure the problem.
If you are tired of the subject, maybe rather than chime in on your feelings you could just ignore these threads.

Amazing the people on forums and social media that can’t just ignore something they are tired of. Even better when they don’t bother to read the entire thread and start lecturing on something they don’t seem to understand. They when you respond to their feelings with your feelings on their feelings, they get all bent out of shape. Turns these threads into basic garbage not worth reading through. Then they get mad because they feel something’s been asked 1,000 times. .
I wish these forums had a block to start weeding them out.

To your question, if you have a dealer you trust for warranty issues, would ask them as that’s who you’re going to be dealing with. Then whatever you do probably reverse when taking it in.

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