Option for a second hybrid battery

[Jobst88]

So I was watching a YouTube video about the truck and the spokesman pointed out that it has the space and architecture for a second hybrid battery. Is this something that is likely to be an available upgrade from the dealer? He showed this graphic I will post below.

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[Snax]

I’m guessing that a future version of the Maverick will be a plug-in hybrid. I doubt that the 2022 will be upgradable, since that would require a plug part, charging electronics, etc.

 

[abjbrtd]

A better option would be upgrading to the new smaller, lighter, holds more elec battery coming out in a couple, 3 years

 

[JASmith]

I’m guessing that a future version of the Maverick will be a plug-in hybrid. I doubt that the 2022 will be upgradable, since that would require a plug part, charging electronics, etc.

Yup, although that's still not all that much battery. The current is a meager 1.1KWH, if you double it that's 2.2KWH so still nothing compared to the 14.4KWH battery in the plugin Escape, which would be adding 12 more of that size battery pack around the vehicle, lol! And even that comparatively huge 14.4KWH battery only gives the Escape Plugin a 30mile electric range, so imagine how useless an EV range a 2.2KWH battery would provide. Not really worth plugging in.

So it may not be a plugin at all, it may just be for a slightly higher performance regular hybrid AWD version. The current 190hp power figure doesn't make sense considering how much horsepower the electric motor is rated for, unless of course the power the electric motor can generate is limited by the current the tiny hybrid battery can provide.

Doubling the tiny battery wouldn't give you any plugin range really to be worthwhile, but it could allow higher currents so that it might be a 225hp AWD hybrid instead. I'd actually prefer that, because if you put heavy batteries on a Maverick chassis, you're decreasing its payload, all else equal. I rather it remain light and just have more power and on-demand AWD.

 

[Rkbrumbelow]

I’m guessing that a future version of the Maverick will be a plug-in hybrid. I doubt that the 2022 will be upgradable, since that would require a plug part, charging electronics, etc.

A plug in hybrid would need about 40 to 60 battery packs the size of the present one according to cleantechnica

 

[Snax]

Interesting article at cleantechnica, thanks. I remember watching a video where the chief engineer, when asked outright about further electrification, hinted at the future capabilities that the platform might enable. Battery tech is evolving reasonably quickly, so maybe he was just being coy to cover his bases. Or maybe they originally planned for two small regen batteries, but cut the second one to save money. Hard to know with so little info.

I guess time will tell, but I do expect that Ford will release a more-electrified version of the Maverick at some point, although maybe it’ll be a bigger redesign than the engineer seemed to tease.

I would love to see a PHEV version with a 60-mile all-electric range. Most people don’t need more for daily trips, so Ford could save a lot of money on a smaller battery. And gas is a more flexible option for long trips into less-populated areas, making for easy weekend getaways. I have a short-range EV for daily driving, and an ICE for longer trips. It would be awesome to combine the two, and a PHEV Maverick would be a great way to do it.

 

[Rkbrumbelow]

Interesting article at cleantechnica, thanks. I remember watching a video where the chief engineer, when asked outright about further electrification, hinted at the future capabilities that the platform might enable. Battery tech is evolving reasonably quickly, so maybe he was just being coy to cover his bases. Or maybe they originally planned for two small regen batteries, but cut the second one to save money. Hard to know with so little info.

I guess time will tell, but I do expect that Ford will release a more-electrified version of the Maverick at some point, although maybe it’ll be a bigger redesign than the engineer seemed to tease.

I would love to see a PHEV version with a 60-mile all-electric range. Most people don’t need more for daily trips, so Ford could save a lot of money on a smaller battery. And gas is a more flexible option for long trips into less-populated areas, making for easy weekend getaways. I have a short-range EV for daily driving, and an ICE for longer trips. It would be awesome to combine the two, and a PHEV Maverick would be a great way to do it.

One other possibility is the switch to a Ferric battery, Tesla is betting on them. Easier materials to acquire but lower power density. The 2nd bay would allow for a cheaper, more powerful replacement at a later date.

 

[abjbrtd]

Ford is already working with BMW and "Solid Power" to develop-solid state batteries.

https://apnews.com/article/science-technology-business-1a65638a2b0cb538134f5c33048d3fb6

VW is working with "QuantumScap" on solid-state batteries.

 

[Rkbrumbelow]

Ford is already working with BMW and "Solid Power" to develop-solid state batteries.

https://apnews.com/article/science-technology-business-1a65638a2b0cb538134f5c33048d3fb6
VW is working with "QuantumScap" on solid-state batteries.

End of the decade for the tech, longer for the product at mass production.

I really am hoping for cab on a sled to dominate. Need to recharge? Swap the sled. Want to upgrade from 2 door to 4 door? Swap the cab, keep the sled. Want a power or range boost? Again swap the sled (batteries and drivetrain)

But no one asked me.

 

[WesM]

End of the decade for the tech, longer for the product at mass production.

I really am hoping for cab on a sled to dominate. Need to recharge? Swap the sled. Want to upgrade from 2 door to 4 door? Swap the cab, keep the sled. Want a power or range boost? Again swap the sled (batteries and drivetrain)

But no one asked me.

My hope is something like Fuel cell tech takes off and we can use something like ammonia to power our vehicles. Fill up at the Ammonia station and drive on electricity. No need for expensive and heavy hydrogen storage systems in the car and you don't have to wait for a recharge/battery swap.

https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2021/ta/d0ta08810b

 

[Rkbrumbelow]

My hope is something like Fuel cell tech takes off and we can use something like ammonia to power our vehicles. Fill up at the Ammonia station and drive on electricity. No need for expensive and heavy hydrogen storage systems in the car and you don't have to wait for a recharge/battery swap.

https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2021/ta/d0ta08810b

Swapping sleds could take less time than fueling up though. Drive up, 4 bolts disconnect cab from sled, sled moves forward on its own, new sled comes under, 4 bolts, drive off. Of course that presumes drive by wire,(less) etc etc.

I think a legitimate intermediary would be turbine electrical generation by whatever means powering however many electrical motors. The battery acts as the reserve and the turbine doesn’t have to change velocity. Turbine energy production is already mature on a wide variety of fuels. The big drawback is they all refer to not change speeds, but again using them to charge a big battery, or power your home they are better than reciprocal engines by a long shot

 

[cnp1234]

Wild speculation: second equal size battery could be useful for a hybrid/electric awd system. No driveshaft, just an electric motor and diff in the rear, or two motors and no diff. Second battery could be dedicated to the rear, or just give more buffer for ensuring the ability to drive the rear as needed.

 

[Jobst88]

Would adding a second battery extend the range of the vehicle?

 

[Rkbrumbelow]

Would adding a second battery extent the range of the vehicle?

It does have the ability to move in battery mode only, but not any substantial range. To be able to operate as a battery only vehicle would require about a 40-60 fold increase in battery capacity.

 

[Darnon]

The C-Max and Fusion Energi get away with only 5-6x the capacity of their regular Hybrid versions without the battery back being too much bigger. A good portion of the volume is the control electronics.

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