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Bob, I believe it's supposed to be a takeoff on the Mustang, hence the "Mach" reference.
It was meant as a joke. From a distance, without my glasses, it looks more like a modern Escape than the ICE Mustang.
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Keep in mind this publication is all a "forecast" based on many different sources of information and not the manufacturer's directly. (They are not in the business of sharing their own future product plans). Also note, there are a lot of "new" vehicle programs underway not shown here.

That said most of the items you note, and other things I see on this forecast jive with what makes sense:

• Bronco Sport through 31 works if they treat it right with updates. After that there may not be a place in the lineup for it.

• Escape moving to a different platform - maybe even EV? Sure. It barely competes right now in its current mission in life and is identical in size to the Bronco Sport. Changing its size and scope makes sense with Edge going away. Ford needs a smaller EV anyway to compete with the laundry list of others already showing up in that size space.

• Lincoln like Cadillac is going 100% EV by decade's end - in a very short period. No need for a new Corsair. You will note that there are no replacements for any of Lincoln's ICE models heading for the exit. Navigator will continue to 30 but will be the lone ICE model at that point and may well by then by PHEV.

• Hyundai/Kia likely see better fortunes in pushing their trucks up to mid-grade/mid-size to compete directly with the Honda Ridgelines of the world. They are not set up to compete in a price conscious space that the compact Maverick class has now become. The Santa Cruz is a premium product by comparison. They likely figure their best play is push it further into that place. And.....given that Genesis has stated their products will always be RWD based it could be possible the Santa Cruz/Kia Truck may go that direction if the platform is shared. (guess)
Yerah, I guess you have some points there. I was hoping Ford was going to make an "Explorer Sport" type of vehicle to fill in the Edge's slot. Then again as a current 4G Escape owner, a slightly roomier Escape with a hair more truck space would be awesome. (and the Escape dig grow a bit from the 3G to the 4G anyways). I just hope by the 5G reveal that at least an AWD PHEV is available. As an engineer in construction and someone who visits family often, I don't see a BEV being the sole vehicle type for my fiance and I by late 2020's. It would be optimal to have both a BEV and PHEV going into the 2030's.
 

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That tracks with my experience in my Model 3 Long Range.

To add what I put above. I pay $0.16/kwh and have a Wall Connector in my garage. I average between 190-250 watts per mile or roughly 4-5 miles per kw - which would mean I pay roughly $0.03-$0.04 per mile.

With gas at $3.50 per gallon (I know, I know it could be way higher) that means I'm getting the equivalent of 90-115mpg in the Model 3 when charging at home.

I pay $0.42 per kw at the Superchargers which is 2.625x more expensive.

Divide 90-110 by 2.625 and you get a Supercharger equivalent of 34.25 - 44.5mpg @ $3.50 per gallon.

Lots of folks ask why I am still in the market for and want a maverick hybrid so bad. All things considered - it is just about as efficient as my Model 3 LR when using superchargers and gas is $3.50 or less.
I'm glad many of you all are sharing road trip information in a rather honest way. I hope to be able to get a good AWD PHEV in the next few years (as my Escape has put on almost 65k miles in just over 1.5 years). My fiance and I have extended family ranging from 350 to over 800 miles away. We don't have a home charger as we are in an apartment for the time being, and our extended families don't have the means nor finances to have a home charger for when we visit. A PHEV would help with that, but an BEV would be great for local driving once we buy a house and get a home charger.
 

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I'm glad many of you all are sharing road trip information in a rather honest way. I hope to be able to get a good AWD PHEV in the next few years (as my Escape has put on almost 65k miles in just over 1.5 years). My fiance and I have extended family ranging from 350 to over 800 miles away. We don't have a home charger as we are in an apartment for the time being, and our extended families don't have the means nor finances to have a home charger for when we visit. A PHEV would help with that, but an BEV would be great for local driving once we buy a house and get a home charger.
PHEV with 40 miles of range would cover almost all of my daily driving needs. My buddy has a RAV 4 Prime he really enjoys.

I have 3 friends with Teslas (one a Model 3 LR and 2 Model Ys).

The Model 3 owner uses a 110v outlet in his garage and free charging at the airport or superchargers in town. That set up isn't for me as I like coming out to a "full charge" (85%) each and every morning. He's had some days where he has 10-20% charge left just being in town.

1 of the Model Y owners uses a 240v plug for his dryer. They sell kits that split the outlet or you can just plug and unplug. He got the kit and generally can charge to a full charge just like me every morning.

The other Model Y owner went the whole 9 yards and got wall connector, solar panels, and a powerwall. Not much else to say.

The wall connector itself was only $400. I actually had the 8 awg wire, a 60a breaker was $12, and I did all of the labor of drilling holes in 26 floor joists and passing the wire through each joist, over, and up to the garage, and connecting it. So it made sense for me to do it.

If where you are traveling TO (destination) has some level of charging above 110v (so even getting to a 240v plug) it would drastically reduce the cost of road trips for a Tesla.
 
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My fiance and I have extended family ranging from 350 to over 800 miles away. We don't have a home charger as we are in an apartment for the time being, and our extended families don't have the means nor finances to have a home charger for when we visit.
Maybe offer to split the cost with them? I'll bet I have less than $300 invested in the 60' from my breaker box to my garage, adding a 240V 14-50 outlet so friends and family could "top off" if needed. Most every PHEV or BEV I've seen has a cord that can use that socket, no need for a full-blown home charger.

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PHEV with 40 miles of range would cover almost all of my daily driving needs. My buddy has a RAV 4 Prime he really enjoys.

If where you are traveling TO (destination) has some level of charging above 110v (so even getting to a 240v plug) it would drastically reduce the cost of road trips for a Tesla.
I would say that a 40-mile range would fit 70% of people's typical needs.

Now, once the infrastructure is updated, and more businesses have chargers at work, having a PHEV or BEV has the biggest issue solved. I love hearing people say, 230 miles isn't enough for me when their daily commute is 50 miles. Our 2022 Honda CR-V has an average range of 350 miles per tank in town, but that doesn't seem to bother people, But when you charge your car every night and get 230 miles ever day isn't enough...
 

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No mention of the refresh the Escape and Bronco Sport ? Betting all 3 models change closely together.

Also interesting that it won't be until 2027 that competitive models come out. (And no, the Santa Cruz is not competitive. I am a Hyundai guy through and through. The Mav is so much better than that overly expensive gussied up El Camino Kimchi, it's a joke.) That's a long time for the Maverick to establish dominance.

And thank you for posting that link!!! Love that we are all so pumped for our Mav's we share info.
 

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Probably a mid cycle refresh for the 25 my.
 
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No mention of the refresh the Escape and Bronco Sport ? Betting all 3 models change closely together.

Also interesting that it won't be until 2027 that competitive models come out. (And no, the Santa Cruz is not competitive. I am a Hyundai guy through and through. The Mav is so much better than that overly expensive gussied up El Camino Kimchi, it's a joke.) That's a long time for the Maverick to establish dominance.

And thank you for posting that link!!! Love that we are all so pumped for our Mav's we share info.
Probably follow the tune of the big trucks where the 150 gets the update then the next year the SD. Probably escape>BS>maverick
 

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…shower thoughts based on nothing. I hate these “articles“

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Well maybe if I place my order now I’ll get it in 2029
 

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No mention of the refresh the Escape and Bronco Sport ? Betting all 3 models change closely together.

Also interesting that it won't be until 2027 that competitive models come out. (And no, the Santa Cruz is not competitive. I am a Hyundai guy through and through. The Mav is so much better than that overly expensive gussied up El Camino Kimchi, it's a joke.) That's a long time for the Maverick to establish dominance.

And thank you for posting that link!!! Love that we are all so pumped for our Mav's we share info.
I figured I'd post an update on this.

Maverick gets updated 4/2027 for MY 2028-2033.
Bronco Sport Stays on C2, with no major updates Through the 2031 MY.
Escape and Corsair continue through 2025, then Escape moves to GE2 EV platform. Corsair dies.

So only Maverick and Bronco Sport stay on C2 Platform in 2025 and beyond.
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