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[Glen Baker LLC]

Oh Tesla are much better than what this Slate will be, Assuming its not DOA. which is my guess. . BUT Tesla's cost a lot more too. Sure many can live with a EV single car family as long as its not ridiculous low range like the base Slate actually is. As I said the Slate is NOT 150 miles. Not even close. I didn't even get into loss of range in the winter.

If I had an EV I would start to panic If I went below 60 miles range left. Its not like you can call for a gallon of gas or walk and get one yourself.

Oh and to others who said you have to own an EV to really understand them. Bull on that .

Agreed, I owned a Chevy Volt with 42 miles electric range and unlimited gas range as long as you took 7-10 minutes to fill the tank.
That tank can be filled almost anywhere Including from a 2gal. gas can.

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[cello5]

My bias given my experience is clearly on the side of BEV’s but you do need to fit the EV to your needs—esp cost and range.

I agree with Zen that on a macro level there are many reasons to subsidize certain industries and that it is happening to and has happened all around us often without our recognizing it (e.g. fossil fuel industry bigtime past and present). I would say I am a second wave adopter of EV’s and without the incentive of the $7500 federal credit probably wouldn’t have bought. But I am now a believer. I believe there is climate change and feel strongly that BEV’s are one of the tools to help. I am saddened that the US is going backwards on this while the rest of the world appears to be moving forward.

 

[inline_five]

But YOUR math is NOT what Slate says in the link I provided. How about I say you can get 3000 miles/watt/hour? Doesn't make it so! Where did you get 300 watts/mile/hour? Here is a better idea do it and document it!
" Use the included Slate charging cable • No need to purchase extras • Adds 2 to 5 miles per hour of charge • Overnight charge adds 20 to 50 miles "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because they're basing it off of 15 amp plug which is 12 continuous. So 1440 watts per hour or 4.8 miles per hour assuming 300w/mi. Overnight is whatever their definition is, I'd say 11-12 hours personally (ie 7pm-7am) which is 53-57 miles overnight, very close to their 50 mile number.

You specified a 20 amp plug which is 15 continuous or 1800 watts or 6 miles per hour. Don't get mad at me for just using the information you provided lol.

Doing the math with their stated range and battery sizes it looks like they are looking at 350 w/mi so you can adjust accordingly, the 300 was simply a guess based on known EV consumption. With that, it's 4.1 miles/hour on a 15 amp plug and 5.1 miles on your 20 amp.

 

[dalola]

Because they're basing it off of 15 amp plug which is 12 continuous. So 1440 watts per hour or 4.8 miles per hour assuming 300w/mi. Overnight is whatever their definition is, I'd say 11-12 hours personally (ie 7pm-7am) which is 53-57 miles overnight, very close to their 50 mile number.

You specified a 20 amp plug which is 15 continuous or 1800 watts or 6 miles per hour. Don't get mad at me for just using the information you provided lol.

Doing the math with their stated range and battery sizes it looks like they are looking at 350 w/mi so you can adjust accordingly, the 300 was simply a guess based on known EV consumption. With that, it's 4.1 miles/hour on a 15 amp plug and 5.1 miles on your 20 amp.

The std 120V portable chargers (L1) supplied by the OEM's are not "variable", meaning, they are programmed to charge based on a std 120V 15A circuit. You can plug into a 120V 20A circuit, it will not change the charge rate, which will be about 3-4 miles of range per hour, pending HV battery SOC. Step up to a 240V L2 smart charger, then you can start programming charge rates, up to the max the vehicle will accept.

 

[inline_five]

YOU are making assumptions that the maker SLATE does not. I gave you their information and I hope they have really smart people doing the math. As to your comparison of outlet amperage. Outlets do NOT supply current, they supply voltage. So you can plug a 20 amp load into a 15 amp outlet and get 20 amps, for awhile until the outlet, breaker, or wire in the wall fail. I specified a 20 amp plug for YOUR safety because it needs to be 12 ga wire in your wall to prevent fire. A continuous draw of 14.5 amps will eventually cause that 15 amp circuit to fail. The outlet does not control the charger and battery ability to recharge! Again look at what SLATE says their 120v charger can do on their 150 mile range battery. Your hypotheticals don't compute with their stated facts.
SLATE says 20 to 50 mile charge on 120v for 10 hours. The size of the outlet does not change that. 120 is 120.

EV chargers will not supply more than 80% of rated amount. 12 amps on 15 amp and 16 amps on 20 amp outlet if it has a 20 amp plug.

You are 100% out of your element here. Instead of a discussion your immediate response is knee jerk argumentative.

Congrats on being the first ever to make the ignore list!

 

[inline_five]

The std 120V portable chargers (L1) supplied by the OEM's are not "variable", meaning, they are programmed to charge based on a std 120V 15A circuit. You can plug into a 120V 20A circuit, it will not change the charge rate, which will be about 3-4 miles of range per hour, pending HV battery SOC. Step up to a 240V L2 smart charger, then you can start programming charge rates, up to the max the vehicle will accept.

You just have to do the math. At 12 amps and 120v that is 1440 watts. If your vehicle gets 300 watts per mile, you're putting 4.8 miles per hour into it. If using a 20 amp plug/charger you're getting 1900 watts which is about 6.4 miles per hour. It's simple math.

In OP's case he himself suggested he used a 20 amp charger. He's completely clueless when it comes to the subject and overall argumentative with others as well. Honestly I'm not sure why I bothered to respond to him but live and learn.

https://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Portable-Adjustable-110V-240V-J1772/dp/B0F9FNQG4C/

 

[dalola]

You just have to do the math. At 12 amps and 120v that is 1440 watts. If your vehicle gets 300 watts per mile, you're putting 4.8 miles per hour into it. If using a 20 amp plug/charger you're getting 1900 watts which is about 6.4 miles per hour. It's simple math.

In OP's case he himself suggested he used a 20 amp charger. He's completely clueless when it comes to the subject and overall argumentative with others as well. Honestly I'm not sure why I bothered to respond to him but live and learn.

https://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Portable-Adjustable-110V-240V-J1772/dp/B0F9FNQG4C/

Yes, I understand the math. My point is, the OEM 120V portable chargers (that I am aware of) are set to charge at a fixed rate, based on a 120V 15A circuit. Plugging one in to a 20A circuit changes nothing. Slate may offer something different, but it's unlikely, just based on cost alone.

 

[Scott Asheville]

Sandy Munro takes a look at the Slate factory. Cue up all the haters. This will drive them absolutely batshit crazy. Oh wait, they're already batshit crazy.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

Just like these pictures drove GM, Ford and Chrysler batshit crazy.

 

[Scott Asheville]

Just like these pictures drove GM, Ford and Chrysler batshit crazy.

You hit the nail on the head. That big three. One of which went bankrupt and had to be bailed out by the American taxpayer. Another that had to be sold off to the Europeans to survive collapse, and a third which is so moribund that it had to launch a skunk works to have a prayer of survival going forward (that's from the CEO's lips, not mine).

Or to put it into a graph, this big three...

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[Glen Baker LLC]

You hit the nail on the head. That big three. One of which went bankrupt and had to be bailed out by the American taxpayer. Another that had to be sold off to the Europeans to survive collapse, and a third which is so moribund that it had to launch a skunk works to have a prayer of survival going forward (that's from the CEO's lips, not mine).

Or to put it into a graph, this big three...

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I seriously believe the big three conspired to put Preston Tucker under. I think they saw his design at that time in history and scared the crap out of them. I know people back then said it was a scam.

 

[Blinky]

Slate has changed the website to reflect a price in the "mid-twenties" now that the tax credit is gone. So a 2 seater with NO infotainment screen, you thought the 2022 to 2024 screens were lacking. No power windows, AC, or paint colors. Slate still has not released prices for these add ons.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a65317250/slate-truck-price-change-ev-tax-credit/

I predicted that the prices would spike up at some point and I'm kinda sad to be proven right... I don't expect these to sell for under $30k when/if they finally make it to the public.

 

[LSchicago]

Isn't crew cab the #1 selling variation of a truck for the last 10-15+ years in NA? Isn't that why we are losing our options for other configurations in body on frame trucks?

I would say it is pretty important to the North American market.

I don't have kids and I likely never will, but I sure do appreciate having the back seat for storage or my dog or some friends if we are all going to the same place anyway.

I would've bought a long bed Regular cab Maverick if it was available, as long as it had a bit of Room behind the seat.

I never bought a crew cab truck that wasn't a Maverick. Zero use for a back seat in a truck. Just my wife and I.

 

[LSchicago]

Slate is perfect for auto parts delivery, or pest services. They can charge it at night, and do local jobs/deliveries all day. Still $3,000 less than the Maverick too.

 

[Jah.]

Nah . on slate .

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