Maverick's new competition no longer competition

[inline_five]

I have no "Slate hate" I have BS hate. And Slate so far is all BS. Scout is actually building a manufacturing facility to make a EV truck in the US. Slate has purchased an old junk mail printing plant to assemble "sourced" parts and pieces. with a gaol of 100 units a year eventually. They have not produced a road worthy vehicle yet. Slate also says it is the first EV you can plug into any outlet and charge. BS. You can pug into a 20 amp outlet and get 20 to 50 miles on an overnight charge. So if you don;t work more than 5 to 10 miles from home you are golden.
https://www.slate.auto/en/charging

15 amps @ 120v = 1800 watts. At 300 w/mi you're at 6 miles per hour charging. An overnight charge is going to be around 65-70 miles of range on a 120v 20 amp outlet. Not terrible for daily commuting.

Not sure where you read 100 units a year, that seems pretty low to me.

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[inline_five]

I'm all for not "picking favorites", but actually in the U.S., practically Every form of energy types are subsidized by the federal government, fossil fuels - oil, natural gas, coal along with all forms of electric, nuclear, wind, solar, etc. along with telecommunication services - phone, internet, etc. Agriculture along with a Huge list of other things are subsidized.

I'm all for subsidies that increase US independence on foreign imports and/or reducing costs when viewed from a long term vantagepoint. I'm not for subsidies that funnel money out of the US.

 

[OleFordGuy]

I'm all for subsidies that increase US independence on foreign imports and/or reducing costs when viewed from a long term vantagepoint. I'm not for subsidies that funnel money out of the US.

I'm all for independence on foreign imports, I will the U.S. would take back all the industrial base and technology we gave to the foreign countries in the 70's/80's all so we could have our stuff cheaper. Regardless whether the subsidies given are produce in the U.S. or elsewhere, we the U.S. consumer reaps the benefit of the lower pricing. Crap look at all the crap you, I and basically everyone else buys made in other countries (cars, trucks, electronics and the list goes on and on, why pick on foreign imports of oil? Lord help us if we ever get into another war like in WWII with most of our industry factories went away. Just my 2 cents, no anger or disrespect from me to anyone that disagrees, everyone has their own opinions, nothing wrong with that.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

I have no "Slate hate" I have BS hate. And Slate so far is all BS. Scout is actually building a manufacturing facility to make a EV truck in the US. Slate has purchased an old junk mail printing plant to assemble "sourced" parts and pieces. with a gaol of 100 units a year eventually. They have not produced a road worthy vehicle yet. Slate also says it is the first EV you can plug into any outlet and charge. BS. You can pug into a 20 amp outlet and get 20 to 50 miles on an overnight charge. So if you don;t work more than 5 to 10 miles from home you are golden.
https://www.slate.auto/en/charging

A long time ago there was an independent automobile manufacturer that also started out using a repurposed World War II airplane factory. Trying to produce an innovative automobile. That automobile was powered by a repurposed helicopter engine.
Tucker was name.
How did that turn out?
Yes, I know he had the big three conspiring to keep him from producing his automobile

 

[mrjspence]

My thought is they won’t sell very well until (most likely) the next administration brings back the EV credits. Hopefully Slate won’t be DOA but this isn’t good news for them and their customers.

It’s crazy my first gen hybrid Maverick, I added a sunroof, XLT lux package, spray liner & hitch (can’t remember if those were part of the package) but the msrp was just over $27K. At 35-40+ mpg, an EV with zero features limited to 250 miles (maybe) with slow charging capabilities… just won’t do well. As much as I do love EVs. This truck has to be cheap or it won’t work. There is no buffer for it to be expensive like the Maverick becoming.

 

[inline_five]

100K units. And the range is from SLATE not your basic electrical computations. Where did you get 300 watts/mile/hour charging? Since Slate has a range of 150 with their most expensive charger you will not get 70 out of 120volts.

I got the 65-70 miles from doing the math which I wrote in my post??

 

[cello5]

Not sure its hate for the Slate ? For me more dislike of EV in general, .

I consider the slate a joke from day one even if it had rebate. The range is a joke for one. Most say 150 miles. YEA not so fast . Do you drive your maverick to empty? I have hybrid Mav and still fill no lower than 1/8 tank which is about 62 miles. As i usually get at least 500 miles out of tank down to 1/8 tank. It would be farther if i didn't have a kayak on roof most of the time .So really that 150 mile range is more like 90 miles.

BUT ,,, Assuming you keep battery at 100 percent which my buddy with a tesla says DON'T do that. Tesla say on regular basis don't charge past 80 percent for better battery life. So you follow that advice EV makers tell you and now its really 120 mile range minus that 60 mile reserve for me at least and its down to 60 mile REAL range . To me that is ludicrous.

NOW if you buy it like people have old cars like another buddy has a 1970 Chevelle SS 396 big block and rarely drives it to car shows. Okay then. TOY car for people with money to waste. BUT that is a small market.

As of now I dislike EV in general. Yes my buddies 2025 Model 3 two motor version is fast It self drives amazing well. Impressed me . BUT I still wouldn't want one . Real quite. . I guess if price was lower and range was at least 300 fake miles (his is that range ) then maybe if I owned two cars. I only have one so never for me unless I win that lotto. .

So no hate toward Slate. I just think its a joke.

For those that say its not Maverick competition Well it is in the price range and it has a bed. So sure it is Just like a Ranger is competition for a Mav.

We now have a new 2025 Maverick Hybrid but since the fall of 2023 my wife and I only had one car, a Tesla Y. Having one car was an experiment as we both retired so daily communting no longer an issue and wondered what simplifying to one vehicle would feel like. The real world mileage for our Tesla is about 310 miles, but you are right that you try to stay between 15-80% LOC. So that means .65X310 or about 200 miles of real world range (assuming you are not pulling a trailer or temp is >32deg). For longer trips scheduled for the day we charge to 80% then 90 minutes before leaving we top it off to 95% with our level 2 charger installed in our garage (this done easily with the phone app). This puts essentially no strain on the battery as it is when you charge it up and keep a high LOC that is the problem. We pay about $.13/kw and averaging about 280wh/mile that is equivalent to 120 MPGe. The only time we use superchargers is when we visit our daughter 250 miles away or on a rare longer trip. Most BEV’s that I have driven, including the Tesla, are a delight to drive—quiet and powerful. So why did we buy a Maverick? Two main reasons: we went on a 2500 mile camping trip pulling a new teardrop camper and then our range between charges was closer to 130 miles—not fun but doable for a retired couple. So for towing/camping flexibility having an ICE is preferable. Secondly, we live in MN and you do lose up to 30% of your range when it gets very cold. For our 250 mile trips in the winter that sometimes means one additional supercharger visit for the roundtrip—again a little bit of a pain but doable. But even in the winter, the days that we need >100 miles before bringing it home to a warm garage and recharge in the middle of the night is rare. So, I am very attached to my BEV and the Ford Maverick is now the perfect complement to that given we are back to two vehicles.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

Hmmm

 

[EmilyDaMaverick]

I have a 2015 Nissan Leaf. Perfect for about 95% of around town use. Stock battery still has 11 of 12 bars and a SOH of 84%. EVGO charge session, let's say from 15% battery back to 80% is about $4-$6 (peak hours) while I run into the store for some bread. Even cheaper off peak, maybe $3-$4 or even cheaper if I just top it off at home. If you haven't owned an EV or used one for your daily local uses then I'm guessing you are commenting based on feelings not facts. My nephew's Tesla drives him home and I don't see him going back to horse and buggy. It's still less expensive than gas.

That being said, I think Hybrids like our Mavericks are exactly what we need. Great gas mileage with PROVEN technology. If EV's came out first, every person would be complaining about the noise and all the stupid parts that make up gas powered vehicles and probably the idea of "waiting in line" to pump gas would sound ridiculous.

 

[huunvubu]

Slate has changed the website to reflect a price in the "mid-twenties" now that the tax credit is gone. So a 2 seater with NO infotainment screen, you thought the 2022 to 2024 screens were lacking. No power windows, AC, or paint colors. Slate still has not released prices for these add ons.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a65317250/slate-truck-price-change-ev-tax-credit/

I don't understand why anyone believed the hype to begin with.

This one along with the long line of other hyped Maverick so called competitors that only have photoshopped pictures and years off when they maybe become real are just a joke.

Again I don't understand why anyone believes the hype.

And that includes the $25,000 Plug-in-Hybrid Maverick that was hyped here.
If it ever comes about no way will it be $25,000

 

[OleFordGuy]

Well you better look at the Chinese auto industry that we trained and they are now more advanced and reliable. Theirs and other governments help promote industries. We no longer promote anything but profit. Quality is job 2 or maybe none. Tarrifs / Taxes won't help overcome poor quality. Who is Number One in Recalls by the thousands. Just like the late 70's, we are giving away the auto industry again. EV's are the future no matter what stone age we're stuck in now. Oh how I love the smell of burning gas in my car in the garage.

I for the most part agree with your statements except for the smell of gas in the garage but my comments were related to subsidies comments that were being given only to EV vehicles. Not my place to help someone buy a vehicle cheaper for themselves with my and all others taxes we paid to cover it. If one type is being subsidized then subsidize them all, tit for tat. That's my 2 cents.

 

[zen_]

I for the most part agree with your statements except for the smell of gas in the garage but my comments were related to subsidies comments that were being given only to EV vehicles. Not my place to help someone buy a vehicle cheaper for themselves with my and all others taxes we paid to cover it. If one type is being subsidized then subsidize them all, tit for tat. That's my 2 cents.

There is a long history of the federal government subsidizing various industries with incentives or protective tariffs to foster growth (e.g. EVs), protect key strategic industries (e.g. steel), or economic essentials (e.g. food). Where I live in the midwest, every time I put fuel in my vehicle there is a subsidy of at least $0.40 / gallon between E10 and pure petrol, and basically no one is serious about ending ethanol subsidies. How much of the defense budget is to defend our soil vs. defending our interest overseas (in energy and critical minerals for example).

I'm saying this in an apolitical way, but it is a bit more complex than a single item getting a tax credit. I also believe we should be terrified of China taking over the global market for cars while our automotive industry that supports millions of good paying jobs could be left in the dust. Go watch a video on YouTube of a terrible Soviet car made in the 80s, but no different than what was produced in the 50s compared to the best of what was coming out of the US, Japan and West Germany at the time.

 

[canuckford]

Well, we'll see... Maverick is $29,840 when you factor in the delivery charge which is non-negotiable.

So, a Slate at $25k vs a Maverick Hybrid at $30k? How much do folks value the Rear Seat, Infotainment Screen, Power Locks, and Power Windows?

<edited becuase the base model does in fact have A/C>

I couldn't help notice you have a raspberry pi in your profile pic. Nice

 

[TheSEARCH]

We now have a new 2025 Maverick Hybrid but since the fall of 2023 my wife and I only had one car, a Tesla Y. Having one car was an experiment as we both retired so daily communting no longer an issue and wondered what simplifying to one vehicle would feel like. The real world mileage for our Tesla is about 310 miles, but you are right that you try to stay between 15-80% LOC. So that means .65X310 or about 200 miles of real world range (assuming you are not pulling a trailer or temp is >32deg). For longer trips scheduled for the day we charge to 80% then 90 minutes before leaving we top it off to 95% with our level 2 charger installed in our garage (this done easily with the phone app). This puts essentially no strain on the battery as it is when you charge it up and keep a high LOC that is the problem. We pay about $.13/kw and averaging about 280wh/mile that is equivalent to 120 MPGe. The only time we use superchargers is when we visit our daughter 250 miles away or on a rare longer trip. Most BEV’s that I have driven, including the Tesla, are a delight to drive—quiet and powerful. So why did we buy a Maverick? Two main reasons: we went on a 2500 mile camping trip pulling a new teardrop camper and then our range between charges was closer to 130 miles—not fun but doable for a retired couple. So for towing/camping flexibility having an ICE is preferable. Secondly, we live in MN and you do lose up to 30% of your range when it gets very cold. For our 250 mile trips in the winter that sometimes means one additional supercharger visit for the roundtrip—again a little bit of a pain but doable. But even in the winter, the days that we need >100 miles before bringing it home to a warm garage and recharge in the middle of the night is rare. So, I am very attached to my BEV and the Ford Maverick is now the perfect complement to that given we are back to two vehicles.

Oh Tesla are much better than what this Slate will be, Assuming its not DOA. which is my guess. . BUT Tesla's cost a lot more too. Sure many can live with a EV single car family as long as its not ridiculous low range like the base Slate actually is. As I said the Slate is NOT 150 miles. Not even close. I didn't even get into loss of range in the winter.

If I had an EV I would start to panic If I went below 60 miles range left. Its not like you can call for a gallon of gas or walk and get one yourself.

Oh and to others who said you have to own an EV to really understand them. Bull on that .

 

[FischAutoTechGarten]

I couldn't help notice you have a raspberry pi in your profile pic. Nice

My avatar shows 4 hobbies (Discus / Planted Tank for Fish Hobby, Ramone for CARS mini-racer collecting with the nephews, Raspberry Pi for the Tech / Physical Computing / Internet of Things Stuff, and finally a Japanese Garden for Gardening)... Meaning behind the strange german language user name too..

I used to use my real name and photo on forums / social media years ago, until my wife and I dealt with some ugly identify theft... Now I contribute using cowardly and ridiculous avatars and usernames. Real shame the Internet has so many bad actors / evil geniuses.

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