Maverick Hybrid Died on Freeway this Morning - Completely Unanticipated

[KevCuRaoi]

Just saw this this morning about a Ford recall for the sudden loss of drive power.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/ford-recalling-more-450-000-112652646.html

I really don't think that recall is related..... (or only partially??). That recall includes EB Mavericks and Bronco Sport as well. The issue in this thread seems to only effect hybrids that had PCM reprogramming recall performed Feb-March.

I guess it is possible that they are related? Maybe there is a PCM glitch that Ford identified...that was made worse by PCM updated for hybrid recalls, but that needs to be fixed for EBs as well? But I am thinking that these are separate issues.

Of course, getting the latest PCM update should also fix whatever problem these hybrid Mavericks developed after previous problematic PCM update as well!

If my Maverick had that issue after PCM update, I'd have the dealer update PCM now, and not wait for this new recall to become active. (It looks like we are a month away from that).

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[colinl]

I really don't think that recall is related..... (or only partially??). That recall includes EB Mavericks and Bronco Sport as well. The issue in this thread seems to only effect hybrids that had PCM reprogramming recall performed Feb-March.

I guess it is possible that they are related? Maybe there is a PCM glitch that Ford identified...that was made worse by PCM updated for hybrid recalls, but that needs to be fixed for EBs as well? But I am thinking that these are separate issues.

Of course, getting the latest PCM update should also fix whatever problem these hybrid Mavericks developed after previous problematic PCM update as well!

If my Maverick had that issue after PCM update, I'd have the dealer update PCM now, and not wait for this new recall to become active. (It looks like we are a month away from that).

I agree, and it cannot be related since this thread (and many others) are canbus errors with hybrid Mavericks after the ECM & BCM are reflashed for the turn signal recall, and there is no hybrid Bronco Sport.

this other thing is completely different.

 

[EONR24]

I really don't think that recall is related..... (or only partially??). That recall includes EB Mavericks and Bronco Sport as well. The issue in this thread seems to only effect hybrids that had PCM reprogramming recall performed Feb-March.

I guess it is possible that they are related? Maybe there is a PCM glitch that Ford identified...that was made worse by PCM updated for hybrid recalls, but that needs to be fixed for EBs as well? But I am thinking that these are separate issues.

Of course, getting the latest PCM update should also fix whatever problem these hybrid Mavericks developed after previous problematic PCM update as well!

If my Maverick had that issue after PCM update, I'd have the dealer update PCM now, and not wait for this new recall to become active. (It looks like we are a month away from that).

Does anyone know what the 23P18 recall actually changes in the PCM? Like coding wise? I would love to see someone's PCM as built coding Before and After to see what changes are made.

 

[colinl]

Does anyone know what the 23P18 recall actually changes in the PCM? Like coding wise? I would love to see someone's PCM as built coding Before and After to see what changes are made.

respectfully, that would be of very little value literally review the code for anyone who isn't employed by Ford in the job of writing that code, or by 3rd party tuning companies like Cobb Tuning, Livernois etc who modify the ECM parameters on ecoboost trucks for performance tuning.

however, if you really meant that someone who *does* know at the code level can then summarize describe it to everyone, sure I get that. Ford probably considers it proprietary and we are not likely to get any more info than it's a turn signal failure notification fix. my bet is that it's a security mitigation on the canbus - read this: https://jalopnik.com/car-thieves-hack-can-bus-headlight-wire-bluetooth-1850307214

(if that link makes no sense to you, then certainly looking at the code wouldn't help, either. LOL.)

 

[colinl]

this is a better article to describe the security aspects of canbus:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/06/can_injection_attack_car_theft/

 

[EONR24]

respectfully, that would be of very little value literally review the code for anyone who isn't employed by Ford in the job of writing that code, or by 3rd party tuning companies like Cobb Tuning, Livernois etc who modify the ECM parameters on ecoboost trucks for performance tuning.

however, if you really meant that someone who *does* know at the code level can then summarize describe it to everyone, sure I get that. Ford probably considers it proprietary and we are not likely to get any more info than it's a turn signal failure notification fix. my bet is that it's a security mitigation on the canbus - read this: https://fabiobaltieri.com/2013/07/23/hacking-into-a-vehicle-can-bus-toyothack-and-socketcan/

(if that link makes no sense to you, then certainly looking at the code wouldn't help, either. LOL.)

Ok. I can view and understand every line of coding for the PCM in the Maverick so... It would be helpful to see what parameters they are changing or "updating". I don't have a hybrid. I would need someone before and after the recalls to use forscan to view and take a picture the PCM as built coding.

 

[Ford Motor Company]

I was driving at highway speed on I 75 through Cincinnati this morning and without warning my 2022 Hybrid Maverick stalled while I was in the middle lane. Fortunately I was able to quickly get over to the shoulder but had absolutely no power. When I realized the engine was dead an warning message came up on the dash, saying the vehicle won't operate in that gear. I looked down and the shift wheel was in the drive position, but the orange light was not lit on the shifter. I then got error messages, Service Engine Soon Warning, Powertrain Malfunction/Reduced Power Warning, Pre-Collision Assist Not Available Warning. This was really rattling, to have a modern vehicle, with only 18,000 miles stop operating in heavy traffic at 65 MPH. Recently, the radio has been getting really loud momentarily, but no other issues

Ford Roadside Assistance was terrible. I was stopped in a dangerous spot and was relegated to fill out an online form to request service while I prayed no one going by would go off the road and hit me. The form didn't auto fill my VIN Number and I had to type it from my insurance card (not realizing it was in the Ford app). The GPS had me miles away from where I was actually broken down and wouldn't save the changes I made to my real location. Although I was In a hazardous area and in some danger, I had to call and say agent over and over again to speak to a person who informed me that no tow truck would be dispatched because the dealership I chose is too far away. For $60 I could get a wrecker to take my dead vehicle to my chosen dealership but no one was coming until I give my credit card number. At this point I had been there for almost an hour not knowing they hadn't dispatched a tow truck yet and had no idea where I actually was. I reluctantly paid, but ended up waiting 3 hours total for a tow, just waiting to get creamed by a semi. By the time the wrecker arrived, the battery was completely dead by just running the hazard flashers. Nothing else was turned on, the key was out of the ignition.

This whole experience has me uneasy about trusting my Maverick going forward and will pay for AAA to avoid dealing with the overseas third party company Ford has hired to manage roadside assistance.

Has anyone had a similar breakdown experience? If so, what was the cause and fix? Again, almost two years old and only 18,000 miles. Thanks in advance for the feedback and insight.

Can you send over a message with your VIN and the name/location of the Ford dealer you are working with? I would like to take a closer look at your Maverick's loss of power issue so I can see what I can do to assist!

 

[jayant1]

Can you send over a message with your VIN and the name/location of the Ford dealer you are working with? I would like to take a closer look at your Maverick's loss of power issue so I can see what I can do to assist!

Yes, and thank you. The dealer seems to be taking this very seriously. Hopefully I can have confidence in my Maverick restored and drive it safely.

 

[CurtisB]

Big recall came through today. Ford is on it now for sure!!

 

[colinl]

Big recall came through today. Ford is on it now for sure!!

as commented several times in this thread already, the recall announced yesterday and reported on today is a completely different issue.

 

[Abraxis]

I didn't read through this entire thread, but I did the blinker and PCM recalls on my hybrid a few weeks ago then the other weekend I lost power and had the straight flush of warning lights and error codes while driving on the freeway. Lost power, got off on an exit and into a parking lot in limp mode. Anyway the truck ran okay after I powered off for about ten minutes and then two days after the solid check engine (it was blinking while in limp mode immediately after the power loss) light went away. Finally got my service appointment done today and, in case it helps anyone, this is what the paper said:

 

[bjwnet397]

I was driving at highway speed on I 75 through Cincinnati this morning and without warning my 2022 Hybrid Maverick stalled while I was in the middle lane. Fortunately I was able to quickly get over to the shoulder but had absolutely no power. When I realized the engine was dead an warning message came up on the dash, saying the vehicle won't operate in that gear. I looked down and the shift wheel was in the drive position, but the orange light was not lit on the shifter. I then got error messages, Service Engine Soon Warning, Powertrain Malfunction/Reduced Power Warning, Pre-Collision Assist Not Available Warning. This was really rattling, to have a modern vehicle, with only 18,000 miles stop operating in heavy traffic at 65 MPH. Recently, the radio has been getting really loud momentarily, but no other issues

Ford Roadside Assistance was terrible. I was stopped in a dangerous spot and was relegated to fill out an online form to request service while I prayed no one going by would go off the road and hit me. The form didn't auto fill my VIN Number and I had to type it from my insurance card (not realizing it was in the Ford app). The GPS had me miles away from where I was actually broken down and wouldn't save the changes I made to my real location. Although I was In a hazardous area and in some danger, I had to call and say agent over and over again to speak to a person who informed me that no tow truck would be dispatched because the dealership I chose is too far away. For $60 I could get a wrecker to take my dead vehicle to my chosen dealership but no one was coming until I give my credit card number. At this point I had been there for almost an hour not knowing they hadn't dispatched a tow truck yet and had no idea where I actually was. I reluctantly paid, but ended up waiting 3 hours total for a tow, just waiting to get creamed by a semi. By the time the wrecker arrived, the battery was completely dead by just running the hazard flashers. Nothing else was turned on, the key was out of the ignition.

This whole experience has me uneasy about trusting my Maverick going forward and will pay for AAA to avoid dealing with the overseas third party company Ford has hired to manage roadside assistance.

Has anyone had a similar breakdown experience? If so, what was the cause and fix? Again, almost two years old and only 18,000 miles. Thanks in advance for the feedback and insight.

you should post this on SM under Ford

 

[colinl]

I didn't read through this entire thread, but I did the blinker and PCM recalls on my hybrid a few weeks ago then the other weekend I lost power and had the straight flush of warning lights and error codes while driving on the freeway. Lost power, got off on an exit and into a parking lot in limp mode. Anyway the truck ran okay after I powered off for about ten minutes and then two days after the solid check engine (it was blinking while in limp mode immediately after the power loss) light went away. Finally got my service appointment done today and, in case it helps anyone, this is what the paper said:

Power steering module, wow.

Just more evidence supporting my theory that they changed something in the canbus.

 

[Dad]

Pete and everyone else with this issue: Report this to the NHTSA!!! You can find them online and email your complaint or you can phone them:

Jayant1 and everyone else who has this experience: Report this to NHTSA online or by phone: "Complaints can be filed through NHTSA.gov or by calling NHTSA's Vehicle Safety Hotline at 888-327-4236. "


Naturally FoMoCo CEO doesn't look at his emails nor does any CEO but here is what I found:

[email protected]

There are some CEO's who do look at their emails or at least have issues brought to their attention by a subordinate. I once had an issue with B of A and wrote to the CEO. I had a response the next day and problem was taken care of, so it's worth an email.

 

[Abraxis]

Power steering module, wow.

Just more evidence supporting my theory that they changed something in the canbus.

For sure something fishy is going on with our trucks.

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