If they made a full EV Maverick, would you buy, switch? [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[MaverickEVwouldBeNice]

I'll soon (next year or two) be taking advantage of a zero-cost-to-me solar system, and I'll use battery backup of the house instead of the $15,000 Kohler whole-house gas generator I had at my last home. Also I'll be sure to buy a BEV that can power the house for a week if the backup battery and solar and grid all let me down at the same time (apocalypse, I guess).

Zero cost solar is widely available. You sign a contract to purchase the solar at below market rate for N years, and the system itself is free (not the battery backup). I have several friends and family who have gone this route, and they just shake their heads in puzzlement that others (like me) don't go that route (assuming you have a standalone home). They don't spend a penny on the system. They save money on their electricity from day one. They have backup power. There's a 30% upfront government tax credit. And in ten years they own the system free and clear.

When you look at the whole system. Solar on your house. Battery backup. Ability of the BEV to power your whole home for a week. And government incentives for buying your BEV and for installing solar... It's kind of a no brainer. I must not have brains, because I'm still holding off one or two years before I pull that trigger at my house.

I already own a 10 kW (DC) system we installed in 2016. We paid for it ourselves, and have benefited from low electric bills and generous state incentives ever since. I just purchased my first battery back-up system, an inverter with a large 6 kWh battery that will hopefully arrive today or Monday. For now it'll provide a few hours of power, but it can be charged from shore power, a gas/propane generator, or in the summer from an additional 2.5 kW solar array I plan to set up, dedicated to this system. The system is expandable, I plan to add a second inverter/battery pack so that I can produce 50 amps, and later two or more batteries if it works as well as it looks on paper.

In 2026 our state incentives run out on our large system, then I will combine everything and set our property up for islanding. With 12.5 kW of power incoming (summer time, winter is a whole other issue) and potentially two weeks of back up battery power (if I get a total of 10 batteries), I foresee my grid use to be near zero for most of the year.

This is the type of home set-up we need to incentivize, including for businesses and apartment buildings, then the grid will not have the issues that are being foreshadowed. Why some people are so dead set against taking advantage of free electricity is beyond me.

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[Eagle11]

Nope. The market for EV is dying. To many issues and inconveniences. In my opinion, PHEV is the practical future.

According to who? You?

 

[Aherpa]

I'm getting the Lariat hybrid. I'd drop it like a hot rock for a Maverick Lariat EV.

Update... Living with a Maverick Hybrid for last 4 months... Completely charmed and smitten by the Maverick hybrid. At this point I would go with a PHEV vs an EV. If Ford offers a PHEV in the future, with a minimum of 50 miles on battery, we will be a two Maverick family.

Update: Ordered a 2023 Cyber Orange Hybrid Lariat Lux Maverick, 9/20/22. So hopefully at some point in 2023 we will be a two Maverick family. If in 2024 Ford does a PHEV Maverick we will order one and sell/trade in the 2022 Maverick.

We would only trade for a PHEV. We have a solar farm and most of our driving is local but we do take the occasional 10-12 hour marathon and we would like to re-fuel quickly when needed.

 

[Blinky]

Plug in hybrid with AWD? Oh heck yes, I'll be in line and pushing people out of the way.

Full EV? Hard pass. Long harsh winters and incredibly poor charging network in my city/province don't make a full battery EV very enticing.

 

[Scott Asheville]

Blinky is spot on. I'm a BEV fan, and I'd be the first to say "It just doesn't fit everyone or everyplace in 2024. It may not fit some people or some places ever.".

 

[The-X]

I kind of feel like with the size of the Mav you would have to sacrifice somewhere for the battery it would need ie raising the bed to accomodate the battery along the frame.

Then battery and tire cost make extended ownership pretty oppressive and trade-in value crash as that service comes.

My outlook is that which other auto industry have said. Without a major breakthrough in battery tech and efficiency, electrics will remain niche. They'll take a fair share of the market but lithium and cobalt are in "poor supply" to say the least. Ive heard of other alternative battery techs on the horizon like iron based batteries and other nanoscale tech.

But til electrics conquer their main flaw, the battery, they'll practically be 1 time use.

If Ford came along and announced a hydrogen maverick though. Id be cautiously interested. Where producing hydrogen is still energy negative (like building batteries and charging them), it can be done without rare resources in far flung regions. But so far US companies dont seem to have the renewed interest in hydrogen japanese and european companies have.

 

[Gonzo chris]

I kind of feel like with the size of the Mav you would have to sacrifice somewhere for the battery it would need ie raising the bed to accomodate the battery along the frame.

Then battery and tire cost make extended ownership pretty oppressive and trade-in value crash as that service comes.

My outlook is that which other auto industry have said. Without a major breakthrough in battery tech and efficiency, electrics will remain niche. They'll take a fair share of the market but lithium and cobalt are in "poor supply" to say the least. Ive heard of other alternative battery techs on the horizon like iron based batteries and other nanoscale tech.

But til electrics conquer their main flaw, the battery, they'll practically be 1 time use.

If Ford came along and announced a hydrogen maverick though. Id be cautiously interested. Where producing hydrogen is still energy negative (like building batteries and charging them), it can be done without rare resources in far flung regions. But so far US companies dont seem to have the renewed interest in hydrogen japanese and european companies have.

Batteries today are much lower in cobalt than just a few years ago. LFP batteries currently in many EVs use no cobalt at all

 

[Gonzo chris]

I don’t get the need for such a rapid transition from hydrocarbons to electric vehicles.
Let the progression take place at a reasonable pace and also let the buying public decide what stays, what gets added and what gets deleted in regards to our vehicle needs.

If we did that there would be no emissions controls on cars. Nobody was asking for a catalytic converter. Sometimes things are done for the greater good , of course so e don't believe in climate change but even those people know car exhaust is unhealthy

 

[MavJet]

I have no interest in EB. Full On GAS! I buy what works for me. Not what others think we should drive. I have two Ford V8’s one at 500 plus HP. Nothing like the exhaust sound!

 

[Gonzo chris]

I have no interest in EB. Full On GAS! I buy what works for me. Not what others think we should drive. I have two Ford V8’s one at 500 plus HP. Nothing like the exhaust sound!

I assume you mean you have no interest in an EV. That's fine. I get it. I said previously I can see have a nice sports car. That's a gas motor with a manual transmission and has a nice sound. Personally I can't stand in overly loud obnoxious exhaust. But ideally a little more factors into it other than just what you want. I would like to walk down the street making and drive 150 miles per hour

 

[SLINGSHOT]

When I want to smile ear to ear, I get in my Slingshot. 1700 lbs, 170hp, 5 speed stick. Noisy, dusty, windy. Wet in the rain, broil in the sun, No heat, no AC, almost no storage space.
Get it rolling in first (geared so low that punching it is instant wheel spin),
BUT . . . little snick shift into second and WOW. WFO moves your innards backwards. The most impractical vehicle I have ever owned. But is it ever FUN!!!

 

[Morgan33]

We have an hybrid mav and an escape hybrid.
looking into the phev escape. Just cant justify the extra 10k . 33 miles ele on a 2 hr home 240 was what made it interesting . Potentially would never need the gas engine in town. Which is where it’s driven the most. Gas at 4$ averages 12 cent a mile just fuel. The electric to charge it theoretically is 12 or 13 cents . The hybrid just seems like the better deal.
Looked into the lightning with the 7500 ev credit and the 7500 off some xlts looked good untill I read the Midwest winters can. Drop 40 percent of range . And figuring the home cost to charge it. I’ll stick with the mav

 

[Boxer Edition]

May be a little early to start thinking about that as my MY24 XL Hybrid build was just completed yesterday, but a PHEV or full EV would make me want to with. I don't need the 500 mile range, so a PHEV at a lower cost than full EV would be my 1st choice

 

[Gonzo chris]

We have an hybrid mav and an escape hybrid.
looking into the phev escape. Just cant justify the extra 10k . 33 miles ele on a 2 hr home 240 was what made it interesting . Potentially would never need the gas engine in town. Which is where it’s driven the most. Gas at 4$ averages 12 cent a mile just fuel. The electric to charge it theoretically is 12 or 13 cents . The hybrid just seems like the better deal.
Looked into the lightning with the 7500 ev credit and the 7500 off some xlts looked good untill I read the Midwest winters can. Drop 40 percent of range . And figuring the home cost to charge it. I’ll stick with the mav

Apparently the new Chevy EV truck has a LOT more range than the lightning but probably a lot more expensive. How did you come with 12 to 13 cents a mile to charge the hypothetical Maverick EV?

 

[Eagle11]

We have an hybrid mav and an escape hybrid.
looking into the phev escape. Just cant justify the extra 10k . 33 miles ele on a 2 hr home 240 was what made it interesting . Potentially would never need the gas engine in town. Which is where it’s driven the most. Gas at 4$ averages 12 cent a mile just fuel. The electric to charge it theoretically is 12 or 13 cents . The hybrid just seems like the better deal.
Looked into the lightning with the 7500 ev credit and the 7500 off some xlts looked good untill I read the Midwest winters can. Drop 40 percent of range . And figuring the home cost to charge it. I’ll stick with the mav

PHEV Escape gets a rebate, what you need to remember is, if your commute R/T is within the EV range of the PHEV Escape then it's a no-brainer. Also does your employer have chargers at work?
The Lighting is a joke, 80K after rebate,

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