Id rather have a PHEV Maverick

[JimCT]

I have two hybrid vehicles one my Maverick and one a Toyota Corolla Cross. I guess what I’m saying is a PHEV of any kind would not replace either of these. They both do 40+ mph and the added premium in price cannot be justified IMO. With a EV you get rid of the ICE all together. We each have a vehicle and if we went EV we would just do one and keep one hybrid for the longer trips. I would definitely be interested in a EV Maverick but not a PHEV.

I don’t mean to say a PHEV is always a wrong choice at all but for many it’s not the best choice. A single car home that can charge as needed at home with an occasional longer trip but mostly driving 40 miles or less a day, makes sense for PHEV.

Oh, I definitely agree - when I got my PHEV it was the only vehicle in my house, it made a lot of sense (and again, I was buying used at a time when gas prices were low - there was no demand for my PHEV and the price reflected that). I really think it was the best choice for me in my specific circumstances at that specific time.

Now? Well, for some people I am sure it would still be the best choice, but once a household has multiple vehicles it probably makes a lot of sense for one of them to be a full EV - subject to purchase price and ability to charge at home, of course.

As to theoretical Mavericks, I think it would make more sense from Ford's perspective to offer a pure EV rather than a PHEV (the regular hybrid does a pretty great job at conserving fuel), but I can't help but want to have the PHEV option out there as well.

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[JBnorthTX]

Actually I would buy an EV under the conditions you describe. Why go PHEV at all in that scenario?

Why a EV F150? Make little sense at this point.

Because you could run on all electric for your daily commute AND take it on long trips without having to plug in to recharge. That's the ideal situation for me.

Agree about the F150 EV. It loses so much range when loaded down that it's virtually useless for heavy truck duty.

 

[Derwood]

As long as I could charge overnight on 120, and it wasn't a massive premium, I would do it in a heartbeat. But for now, my hybrid XL couldn't be more perfect for my needs. The cost/value of a 23 XL hybrid for 22 MSRP is not something I could do better than.

Non-plug in hybrid is the best way to go for now that much is certain.

 

[LSchicago]

Everyone wants a PHEV Maverick until they have to pay for them without tax incentives. They are more costly to run when you get outside of your electric range because they are heavier. Better be able to plug them in daily or as much as needed for your short runs throughout the week.

The weight difference isn't that huge. Using a Ford Escape as the closest example possible, the FWD PHEV weighs 385# more than the HEV FWD. ( 2023 Ford Escape Tech Specs )Not that significant of a difference to gain 35 miles of daily driving range on electric. I could drive 4-5 days a week easy on that on one charge with my short commute.

 

[Eagle11]

Actually I would buy an EV under the conditions you describe. Why go PHEV at all in that scenario?

Personally I think Ford made a big mistake by not offering a Maverick EV. Why a EV F150? Make little sense at this point.

I think a PHEV Maverick would be another mistake. If you’re going to have an ICE in the truck it just as well be a hybrid.

Why by a PHEV, because you want more than 270 mile range. I drive to San Diego, which means I would have to stop twice (many mountain ranges to drive up)

 

[Eagle11]

I have two hybrid vehicles one my Maverick and one a Toyota Corolla Cross. I guess what I’m saying is a PHEV of any kind would not replace either of these. They both do 40+ mph and the added premium in price cannot be justified IMO. With a EV you get rid of the ICE all together. We each have a vehicle and if we went EV we would just do one and keep one hybrid for the longer trips. I would definitely be interested in a EV Maverick but not a PHEV.

I don’t mean to say a PHEV is always a wrong choice at all but for many it’s not the best choice. A single car home that can charge as needed at home with an occasional longer trip but mostly driving 40 miles or less a day, makes sense for PHEV.

PHEV has it's pluses and minuses. It would be a great commuter, and when needed can be driven longer on the highway than an EV.

 

[Mav_RICK]

I guess we will just have to wait and see. My bet is Ford will go with a smaller than F150 EV truck rather than a PHEV and keep the Maverick hybrid and EB.

 

[Jeff D.]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford-maverick-phev-awd-pickup-truck-spy-photos/

The link above is to an old article, but I'm using it just to make some hypothetical cost calculations..

Let's say my EB Maverick gets 24mpg in town and fuel is $3.50 per gallon
In the article above they mentioned a 11.2kwh battery and ~30 miles range.

I just looked at my electirc bill and we're paying $0.09403 per kwh.

So 11.2kwh X $0.09403 = $1.05 per 30 miles or $0.035 per mile for around town on 100% electric power.

EB Maverick 24mpg / $3.50/gal = $0.146 per mile

If I drove ~100 miles/wk in town back and forth to work, I'd save $577.20/yr in fuel costs

If those calculations are approximately correct, which I'm not positive they are, but if so, it's certainly not as much savings as I thought it would be. Dang!

That small a savings would be hard for me to justify a vehicle that was even a little more expensive.

Or were my calculations wrong somewhere? I might still consider buying a plug in hybrid, but I'd need to justify it to myself with additional other reasons first, which may already exist?

 

[Eagle11]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford-maverick-phev-awd-pickup-truck-spy-photos/

The link above is to an old article, but I'm using it just to make some hypothetical cost calculations..

Let's say my EB Maverick gets 24mpg in town and fuel is $3.50 per gallon
In the article above they mentioned a 11.2kwh battery and ~30 miles range.

I just looked at my electirc bill and we're paying $0.09403 per kwh.

So 11.2kwh X $0.09403 = $1.05 per 30 miles or $0.035 per mile for around town on 100% electric power.

EB Maverick 24mpg / $3.50/gal = $0.146 per mile

If I drove ~100 miles/wk in town back and forth to work, I'd save $577.20/yr in fuel costs

If those calculations are approximately correct, which I'm not positive they are, but if so, it's certainly not as much savings as I thought it would be. Dang!

That small a savings would be hard for me to justify a vehicle that was even a little more expensive.

Or were my calculations wrong somewhere? I might still consider buying a plug in hybrid, but I'd need to justify it to myself with additional other reasons first, which may already exist?

Both gas and Elec keep going up, so the savings will keep going up. With the elec infrastructure getting better, I'm sure there will be incentives to have charging at work that cost saving will go up. Until the pure EV range is at least 40 miles you want get many people switching.

 

[surfstar]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford-maverick-phev-awd-pickup-truck-spy-photos/

The link above is to an old article, but I'm using it just to make some hypothetical cost calculations..

Let's say my EB Maverick gets 24mpg in town and fuel is $3.50 per gallon
In the article above they mentioned a 11.2kwh battery and ~30 miles range.

I just looked at my electirc bill and we're paying $0.09403 per kwh.

So 11.2kwh X $0.09403 = $1.05 per 30 miles or $0.035 per mile for around town on 100% electric power.

EB Maverick 24mpg / $3.50/gal = $0.146 per mile

If I drove ~100 miles/wk in town back and forth to work, I'd save $577.20/yr in fuel costs

If those calculations are approximately correct, which I'm not positive they are, but if so, it's certainly not as much savings as I thought it would be. Dang!

That small a savings would be hard for me to justify a vehicle that was even a little more expensive.

Or were my calculations wrong somewhere? I might still consider buying a plug in hybrid, but I'd need to justify it to myself with additional other reasons first, which may already exist?

You're pretty much spot on.
It works for certain drivers/owners and use/location, etc.
$5/gal gas. Home solar. EV tax credit to offset increase price of PHEV.
All those can make the PHEV cheaper or not.

 

[Blue1005]

PHEVs are pricey but that can be somewhat offset with tax incentives...I think my friend got $7500 credit on his Rav4 Prime

Yes, the personal choice of making others pay for what you decided to buy.




I will never buy a complete EV. Unfortunately I live in a state that is not mandating me to buy a specific date.

 

[Timothyd]

Considering that America is still in a transitional phase to electric cars/charging, I would much rather see a Maverick PHEV.

Zero stress range, all electric for errands, and generator mode like the F150 has.

PHEV is the near future change my mind.

Our transition to electric in the near (60 years?) future is a wet dream and a line to appease the naive. For one thing we don't have the generating capacity to support a substantial amount of vehicles and that's for starters.

 

[Timothyd]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford-maverick-phev-awd-pickup-truck-spy-photos/

The link above is to an old article, but I'm using it just to make some hypothetical cost calculations..

Let's say my EB Maverick gets 24mpg in town and fuel is $3.50 per gallon
In the article above they mentioned a 11.2kwh battery and ~30 miles range.

I just looked at my electirc bill and we're paying $0.09403 per kwh.

So 11.2kwh X $0.09403 = $1.05 per 30 miles or $0.035 per mile for around town on 100% electric power.

EB Maverick 24mpg / $3.50/gal = $0.146 per mile

If I drove ~100 miles/wk in town back and forth to work, I'd save $577.20/yr in fuel costs

If those calculations are approximately correct, which I'm not positive they are, but if so, it's certainly not as much savings as I thought it would be. Dang!

That small a savings would be hard for me to justify a vehicle that was even a little more expensive.

Or were my calculations wrong somewhere? I might still consider buying a plug in hybrid, but I'd need to justify it to myself with additional other reasons first, which may already exist?

What happens when we get a lot more electric vehicles and the price of power triples?

 

[Jeff D.]

What happens when we get a lot more electric vehicles and the price of power triples?

I'm guessing any savings would vanish.

A question, other than the initial purchase price and the possible replacment cost for a larger battery later, is there a negative to a PHEV compared to a hybrid vehicle like the current Maverick?

i.e., if a person had a PHEV and electric costs grew prohibitive, or maybe the infastructure didn't allow charging of the vehicle, would the PHEV continue to operated like a standard hybrid with still very decent fuel mileage on gasoline only?

 

[Eagle11]

Our transition to electric in the near (60 years?) future is a wet dream and a line to appease the naive. For one thing we don't have the generating capacity to support a substantial amount of vehicles and that's for starters.

This is why it makes sense to have Solar, in the Sun belt states its a no-brainer.

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