2.5L Hybrid

[Art_Vandelay]

Since we aren't buying the maverick hybrid for the race track I hadn't really thought about acceleration too much. But in the past week I drove a 15 forester with the base engine and that thing feels slow. Looks like its 0-60 in 9 seconds. I'm hoping that since the Maverick has a different hybrid system than the Escape and Ford has figured out how to make it slightly quicker. Looks like other small SUV hybrid SUVs are in the 7 second range so it has to be possible.

Does anybody know how hybrids do accelerating to pass at highway speeds? I'm guessing the gas engine is doing most of the work there.

The biggest thing I’ve noticed people have a hard time getting over is the engine not rising and falling with the change of gear found in a “normal” transmission. If you don’t understand how a hybrid drivetrain works it might sound like the car was stuck in a single gear. It’s just so different from what you are used to that it sounds kinda off, like something isn’t right.

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[Wire4money]

Since we aren't buying the maverick hybrid for the race track I hadn't really thought about acceleration too much. But in the past week I drove a 15 forester with the base engine and that thing feels slow. Looks like its 0-60 in 9 seconds. I'm hoping that since the Maverick has a different hybrid system than the Escape and Ford has figured out how to make it slightly quicker. Looks like other small SUV hybrid SUVs are in the 7 second range so it has to be possible.

For those of you that want performance, you can buy the ecoboost. You are not going to get a high performance vehicle that gets 40 mpg for 20k.

 

[Shecster]

Sorry to hear about the Vega purchase but you are spot on with the Motor Trend COTY award. Vega
the “ poor mans Camaro” as my friend put it at the time. He drove a ‘73 Ford Pinto Squire wagon ( wood grain siding and all), but we won’t go there!
The crux of the matter is like you laid out. All new vehicles will have design flaws and highlights as we all know. It takes those willing to stick their necks out and run with the new product in order for the manufacturer to see what needs to be tweaked.

I am willing to try new products if they have proven sub components with a track history. ECVT may fit into this this category as it has been out there for a bit. Ford is building to a price point and that may make me stand back and hold onto my wallet with a wait and see outlook. I am earnestly hoping the Maverick hits it‘s mark and proves to be a winner so that I can jump in with some confidence. You pay your money and take your chances.I have high hopes for Ford and this product launch.....

 

[Maverick-xv]

I read a lot of bad stories about CVT in general. I got my first car with CVT and I do no care at all about it. If fact I like the fact it has dual personality when slow acceleration it works as CVT, but moderate one - it works as 8 speed auto. Of course, I would not want it in the Corvette as it would take all the fun when normal 6,8-speed auto transmission shifts. But there is nothing wrong with CVTs in econoboxes.
On hybrids the engine is very quiet anyway, so even low volume radio will mask it, so you will learn not to use engine noise for anything rather quickly.

 

[Wire4money]

I read a lot of bad stories about CVT in general. I got my first car with CVT and I do no care at all about it. If fact I like the fact it has dual personality when slow acceleration it works as CVT, but moderate one - it works as 8 speed auto. Of course, I would not want it in the Corvette as it would take all the fun when normal 6,8-speed auto transmission shifts. But there is nothing wrong with CVTs in econoboxes.
On hybrids the engine is very quiet anyway, so even low volume radio will mask it, so you will learn not to use engine noise for anything rather quickly.

It is NOT a cvt in the Maverick. It is an ECVT. Huge difference.

 

[Wrench77]

These components have been tried and true. They have been updated but basically the same units. It’s a parts bin truck. The chassis is a C2 which has been used worldwide for a little while now. The drivetrain has a long history. The engine dates back to the original Mazda 3. The Mazda MZR engine is one of the greatest 4 cylinder engines ( my opinion) ever produced for the public. It has a long racing history. Other parts come from the Escape and Bronco Sport so I hope this won’t have the normal first year problems.

 

[oljackfrost]

These components have been tried and true. They have been updated but basically the same units. It’s a parts bin truck. The chassis is a C2 which has been used worldwide for a little while now. The drivetrain has a long history. The engine dates back to the original Mazda 3. The Mazda MZR engine is one of the greatest 4 cylinder engines ( my opinion) ever produced for the public. It has a long racing history. Other parts come from the Escape and Bronco Sport so I hope this won’t have the normal first year problems.

The engine was also used in the Miata for years, and one thing owners love about their Miatas is dependability!

 

[oljackfrost]

The engine was also used in the Miata for years, and one thing owners love about their Miatas is dependability!

Here is a good article on the gas engine in the hybrid:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fordau...c-engine-family/ford-2-5l-duratec-engine/amp/

 

[ttthhasdf]

A cursory search on Ford's HF35 transmission reveals A LOT of PROBLEMS.

I don't like what I am reading; the internet abounds with bad info, much as the unit that was put into the Taurus - a notorious failure.

I know that "your mileage may vary" but, for what its worth, my wife had a 2013 cmax and never had problems with it. I still drive a 2012 ford escape awd hybrid with 150K miles on it and, knock on wood, it keeps tooling along just fine. Actually that's why I want a mav is that it is the vehicle most like that 2012 escape hybrid.

 

[ttthhasdf]

If its like the Toyota hybrids, then the motor will start if you press the accelerator too far. There is a dedicated EV button to ask for battery only mode, but it doesn't take much pressing to make the motor start. If you're hypermiling then the Toyota system kicks the motor on when the hybrid battery gets to a certain level of discharge. Under optimal conditions I can get about 5 miles on battery alone, and in the winter its almost nothing. Cold Temps makes the motor run. Milage drops way off in winter. My rav gets 43 mpg in summer and around 28 in winter

The fords I have driven (escape, c-max) have never had a dedicated ev button so I wouldn't expect that. My wife has a plug in hybrid chrysler and it doesn't do it either, but i wish it would. It doesn't bother my on the regular hybrids at all though.

My experience is that my driving style starts to change, but this may be me getting old, too. It becomes a fun part of driving not to start fast but to maximize milage, if that makes sense. So I start slower and brake a lot more steadier and smoother than I used to, in order to charge the batteries more. My experience is that when the gas motor "kicks in" has a lot of variables - tempterature like hondabuster said, slope - like going up hill from the start or downhill, and how fast you accelerate. If you stomp the gas it will cut on almost immediately because it needs the power to rev up, if you go into it smooth and steady it will go electric only to probably 25 mph or so, slow and steady in a parking garage or something like that will be all electric unless you have drained the battery out already. It is hard to explain but you get a feel for it.

 

[Maverick-xv]

It is NOT a cvt in the Maverick. It is an ECVT. Huge difference.

Yes, and I like eCVT even more on the Maverick!

BTW, if you would pay attention, I referred no normal CVT and made comment about non-hybrid cars with CVT and what folks used to say about it. I did not refer to eCVT or Hybrids at all, but last sentence that had nothing to do with transmissions.

 

[fbov]

Here is a good article on the gas engine in the hybrid:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fordau...c-engine-family/ford-2-5l-duratec-engine/amp/

This engine was used in the Gen 2 hybrid. Gen 4's also have a 2.5L, but with more torque, and I suspect, better efficiency, than a Gen 2 Atkinson.

 

[Wrench77]

Here is a good article on the gas engine in the hybrid:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fordau...c-engine-family/ford-2-5l-duratec-engine/amp/

Yes and if you look there are more Miata’s racing then any other vehicle out there. This engine has even proven itself at 24hr Le Mans in LMP-2 cars.
I’m a big supporter of Mazda they make great products but have poor marketing. They are one of the only manufacturer’s that doesn’t have issues with DI engines because of there engineers and recently have developed a compression ignition gasoline engine. This is something that is the holy grail of gas engines. Mercedes, Gm, and countless others have tried to make it work.

 

[Red Ryder]

Mazda MZR en

Actually that's why I want a mav is that it is the vehicle most like that 2012 escape hybrid.

Could you imagine how nice the Bronco Sport would be with the 2.5L Hybrid MZR descendant?

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