The last straw? (Vehicle down for 3+ weeks, with no end in sight.)

[JimParker256]

Posting this in one thread on here was enough. I understand your frustration, that it's no reason to spam.

What the hell are you talking about?
I only posted it in this single thread that I created...

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[TedTX]

The Ford dealership in Seguin is depressing, not even trying to attract customers. Last job had me work next door. Would take my Fords to the Chevy dealer.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

The Maverick has no starter, and no alternator. It uses the motor/generator for both functions, which is driven by the HV

The Maverick has no starter, and no alternator. It uses the motor/generator for both functions, which is driven by the HVB, not the 12V battery.. The HVB supplies the voltage that spins the motor generator to start the gasoline engine. The hybrid battery (HVB) also supplies power to a converter that produces the 12V current to recharge the small 12V battery under the seat. The only reason for the 12V battery is to power the computer systems when the HVB is offline (vehicle is "off"). The computer has to have power to initiate the "ON" condition for the hybrid system. (This is true for the Toyota system as well.)

But in my case, the HVB was already engaged and online, because I was driving on electric/hybrid power. In a normal ICE vehicle, you can remove the battery while the engine is running and you wouldn't even notice until the engine stops. The same is true in the Toyota hybrid system (and every other one I've ever heard of) - the 12V system is only needed during the start-up process to energize the computer and the various relays that engage the hybrid system. According to the service coordinator and tech at Covert Ford, the Ford hybrid system is different, because when the 12V battery is "dead" even an fully functional, normally operating vehicle will shut down, engage the park setting, and activate the parking brake. That is NOT normal behavior for any other hybrid vehicle. It is a software programming choice that Ford engineers made. And in my opinion, it is a foolish - no, let's call it "downright dangerous" - design that offers zero benefit, while creating a significant danger to the driver and occupants of the vehicle.

Just trying to make sense...
If you had start/stop active when you pulled up to light the ice would stop. IF THE 12V WAS BELOW Xx volts and if the truck had been running on generated current perhaps there wasn't enough voltage for computer to switch dcdc converter to hvb supply. If so maybe a jump would have started DCDC and the ice? I notice that when I have start/stop on and I'ce turns off if stop light does not turn green for about 45 seconds the ice starts any way without go pedal push. Also in maintenance there is reference to if replacing 12v battery if vehicle has start/stop be sure replacement battery has the same specs as original! How ever that is apparently the battery must need to have some specific something not all batteries have? I would expect the tech to put a solid 13v on jump posts which is mentioned they do when installing program updates. ???? Good luck.

 

[JimParker256]

Just trying to make sense...
If you had start/stop active when you pulled up to light the ice would stop. IF THE 12V WAS BELOW Xx volts and if the truck had been running on generated current perhaps there wasn't enough voltage for computer to switch dcdc converter to hvb supply. If so maybe a jump would have started DCDC and the ice? I notice that when I have start/stop on and I'ce turns off if stop light does not turn green for about 45 seconds the ice starts any way without go pedal push. Also in maintenance there is reference to if replacing 12v battery if vehicle has start/stop be sure replacement battery has the same specs as original! How ever that is apparently the battery must need to have some specific something not all batteries have? I would expect the tech to put a solid 13v on jump posts which is mentioned they do when installing program updates. ???? Good luck.

Yes, you are 100% correct. A "jump" would have started the engine, until it shut off again at the next stop. That's how the dealership got it off the tow truck. But as soon as it came to a stop after rolling down the ramp, it went to Park and the e-brake turned on (with all the faults flashing again).

 

[2020 GT500]

Vehicle: 2023 Maverick Hybrid Lariat, purchased from Covert Ford in Austin, TX.

I went on a short trip (Cedar Park, TX to Sequin, TX - about 80 miles) in my Maverick, and stopped for lunch before going to my appointment. I finished lunch and was driving the approximately 1.5 miles to the appointment. About halfway there, I stopped for at red light at an intersection of a major road and an interstate highway. Just as I pulled to a stop, the Sync system went blank, followed by the main driver's display, then almost immediately both came back on, but with every single warning light illuminated, and pop-up messages from all of those systems coming up so fast that I lost track of how many messages I got. The gas engine, of course, was shut off (as always at a stop), but the transmission was now in "Park" (I didn't touch the shifter) and the parking brake was ON. I could not change into Neutral, nor release the parking brake. Turning the vehicle off (push-button) and back on did nothing. So I was just stuck in the middle of the intersection, with the noon "rush" flowing around me (lots of angry looks, honks, and raised middle fingers directed at me). I tried everything I could think of (including searching the Maverick Truck Club) for similar scenarios and how to resolve it) with no success.

I have a Ford extended warranty, so I called them to tow me to a dealership. But the local dealership said they had no one in their service department qualified to work on hybrid vehicles, and that I would have to have it towed to either San Antonio or Austin to get it worked on. Since my "home" dealer is in Austin, I decided to have it towed there. However, Ford's towing service will only pay for it to be towed to the nearest dealer, so I had to pay almost $300 to get it towed to Austin.

This post is already going to be long, so to shorten it somewhat, my service advisor told me the only thing wrong was that the 12V battery was absolutely dead - zero volts - and that it would not accept a charge. Something must have broken inside the disabled the entire battery. They replaced it under warranty, but the detailed explanation I got from the service manager and technician scared the hell out of me! If the 12V battery fails like this, the computer shuts down the engine (and electric power as well) and puts the transmission into Park, and applies the parking brake. Until the computer sees a normal 12V signal again, it will NOT allow the vehicle to be shifted out of Park, nor allow the parking brake to release. This seems absolutely crazy to me, given that the high-voltage battery was absolutely fine, and we all know that the HVB is what recharges the 12V battery, whose only purpose is the power the computer when the hybrid system is shut down Why the hell would Ford engineer the system such that a 12V battery (an accessory at best) would force a critical shutdown - as though it were a nuclear reactor performing an emergency shutdown? It's not only ridiculous, it's downright dangerous!

The truly scary part is that if the battery failure had occurred 2 miles prior or 2 miles after it did, I would have been on an Interstate highway, going 75 mph (speed limit in this area) when the computer decided to put the vehicle into Park and apply the parking brake. Whether it would have done so at 75 mph, I have no idea (nor did the tech), but even if it had just shut down the engine and hybrid power system and had me coast to a stop, then shifted to Park and applied the parking brake, I would have been in some seriously fast traffic with an immovable vehicle. What are the odds I might have been killed in the almost inevitable rear-end collision that would follow?

This seems like a MAJOR design flaw. My wife won't even set foot in the Maverick any longer, and doesn't want me to drive it either. We both believe this is a significant hazard - especially given the track record of the 12V battery failures that have been a chronic issue in the Maverick Hybrid, as you can definitely see from these forums... So I' will no longer drive on the freeway in my Maverick, nor take it on long trips, since it has stranded me three times now. I'm starting to investigate the Lemon Law in Texas...

To make matters even worse, I have also experienced three separate occurrences of "multiple sensor" warnings:

• Pre-Collision Assist not Availble
• Powertrain Malfunction / Reduced Power
• Blind Spot Detection with Cross traffic
• High-Voltage Battery Warning (detailed message says stop as soon as possible and contact authorized dealer)
• Service Engine Soon Warning

The first time, the dealership (280 miles from home) told me the Engine Control Module needed to have the software reloaded. Doing this seemed to return the vehicle to service. The out-of-town dealership put me at the head of the queue since I was on a trip, and got me going within a couple of hours. I was extremely grateful for their quick response.

The second time I got this rash of messages, I tried, but I could not clear the problem by shutting down and restarting. This time, the dealer reported they cleared the errors, but could find nothing wrong afterward, and the vehicle performed normally for them with no further errors. This was also at an out of town dealership. I mentioned it to my "local" dealer when I went in for an oil change, but there were no errors in the system for them to go on.

The third time it happened, I was here in town, and got the "High Voltage Warning" that basically means "park the vehicle." So I again had it towed to Covert Ford. It took two days for them to get it into the shop to actually work on it. After almost a full day of diagnostics, their tech found a "damaged" connector plug in the wiring harness where the ECM connects (apparently under the hood, in one of the back corners). When he jiggled that connector, the system threw all kinds of warning messages, including the ones above. They attempted to order a new connector, but apparently they aren't in Ford's ordering system - you can only order the complete engine wiring harness. My service advisor (good guy) told me he asked why the didn't just get a new connector from somewhere like Granger, cut the existing wires, and connect the new one... Seems the wires are short enough that if they cut them, the connector will no longer reach the plug where it needs to connect.

Two days later: Bad news, no wiring harnesses available anywhere in Ford's system, and they are back-ordered, but that Ford had agreed to upgrade the order to "Emergency - vehicle not on road" status, which should give us the highest priority when the harness became available... Two days later, I was contacted by someone in Customer Service at FoMoCo, telling me she would be following up with me, keeping me updated on all the effort FoMoCo was putting toward getting my vehicle repaired to my satisfaction, and promising the would be my primary point of contact until my vehicle was repaired and back in my hands. But basically, she told me nothing the service advisor had not already told me... Fast forward several more days, and today I was contacted by a different person at Ford Customer Service, letting me know that she had tried to contact the dealership, but wasn't able to get anyone, so she had no "dealer update" for me, but that my back-ordered part was showing "pending upgrade to emergency status". I asked why it wasn't already ON emergency status, and she said "well, they don't have any in stock, so they can't make it an emergency status until they do." (Seems to kind of defeat the purpose of allowing back-orders, doesn't it?) In any case, she was totally not helpful, except to ask if the dealership had given me a loaner car (they had not. - none available when I took it in).

So after I got off the phone with her, I immediately called the dealership (which she said she could not reach "anyone" in the service department, and would not try again until after the weekend - this at roughly 2PM on Friday). The phone was answered immediately, and I was able to get my service coordinator on the phone in less than 1 minute. (So she was full of you-know-what...) I expressed my frustration at being without my truck for 3+ weeks, and asked if there was any possibility of getting a loaner vehicle. He escalated the case to his management, who escalated it to the sales team, and got approval for a loaner. I just got back home from picking up a 2024 F-150 that will be my loaner until my truck is fixed. My thanks to Covert Ford (Austin, TX) and William Heinrich (service coordinator - who had been great to work with every time I've been in the shop).

When I first took delivery of the Maverick (July, 2023), the entire sound system was non-functional. All the features "worked" other than the fact that there was no sound at all from the Sync system (so no sound through Apple Car Play, either). The dealership diagnosed the issue within a couple of hours (a bad hardware module in the Sync system), and told me it was back-ordered with no estimate on when it would be delivered. They offered me the choice of leaving the vehicle with them until the repair part came in (with a loaner in the meantime), or just go ahead and keep the truck until the part came in, at which time they would contact me an schedule a repair. Since I had only JUST picked up (and paid for) the Maverick, I elected to keep it until the part came in... Glad I did, because the part didn't come in until late December, 2023 - that's 6 1/2 months after it was ordered! Because it came in just as the holidays hit, they gave me a Mach-E loaner for Christmas holidays. When I got back from my son's house after Christmas, my truck was finally ready, and I got to hear the sound system for the first time. So again, I feel like Covert Ford did their best to accommodate me, but the FoMoCo parts inventory system let both of us down pretty badly.

And Ford, you've got some serious 'spraining to do... Either A) Ford has the worst spare parts inventory management of any motor vehicle company I've ever dealt with, or B) there has been a massive run on replacement engine wiring harnesses. To me, it is totally unacceptable for a truck to be "down for parts" for more than three weeks (this time) because there are no repair parts available in the system. In any case, the Maverick Hybrid that I absolutely loved at first has proven to be completely unreliable.

At this point, I cannot recommend to anyone that they purchase a Maverick Hybrid.

All Mavericks Have been recalled multiple times. Ford sucks big time and Farley admits it. But! The hybrid will go down as the worst recalled and problematic vehicle in history in my opinion. Yes, dump it and move on.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Yes, you are 100% correct. A "jump" would have started the engine, until it shut off again at the next stop. That's how the dealership got it off the tow truck. But as soon as it came to a stop after rolling down the ramp, it went to Park and the e-brake turned on (with all the faults flashing again).

You can keep ice on if you set the AC TO LO OR HI. I believe that also keeps the Gen on as either setting requires more current draw up than HVB transfer limit, not sure. You could set fan speed lower, don't know, but fan on wasn't mentioned that I remember on the hi or lo setting to keep ice on.

 

[JimParker256]

You can keep ice on if you set the AC TO LO OR HI. I believe that also keeps the Gen on as either setting requires more current draw up than HVB transfer limit, not sure. You could set fan speed lower, don't know, but fan on wasn't mentioned that I remember on the hi or lo setting to keep ice on.

I don't believe that works. I've had too many times when I was sitting waiting for my wife with the AC on (Texas summer = 95-105ºF) and the ICE was off until the HVB got to a pretty low state. And in any case, my AC was on MAX that day, because it was 108ºF in the shade. The cop who pulled up behind me to help with traffic control took pity on me and let me sit in the back of his cruiser where the AC was blowing.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

I don't believe that works. I've had too many times when I was sitting waiting for my wife with the AC on (Texas summer = 95-105ºF) and the ICE was off until the HVB got to a pretty low state. And in any case, my AC was on MAX that day, because it was 108ºF in the shade. The cop who pulled up behind me to help with traffic control took pity on me and let me sit in the back of his cruiser where the AC was blowing.

Max is run fast maybe at Max until set temp is reached. Have to set cool to "Lo" which is one click below 60 or 65 I don't remember which. Same with "Hi" reading will say "Hi" one click above "the max degree number. I live near Burnet and Johnson Sewell is my dealer. I had 109°F one day this summer on mine. I very seldom turn my AC on max for more than a few minutes. I did spring for ceramic tint with 99+% Infrared blockage on all glass except windshield which seems to help. I would spend the $90 additional next time for the 5% plus the 99+% infrared windshield.

 

[Darnon]

That's bizarre... Why have a 12 volt battery at all then. And by the way, you didn't previously state the 12 volt battery doesn't turn the starter.


Didn't even Tesla have a 12 volt battery for a long time? I think they got rid of it not very long ago.

Tesla still utilizes a low voltage battery. For safety reasons they want to be able to electrically isolate the HVB battery from the vehicle systems at large. So it necessitates a separate power source to power the computers and electromechanical contactors to do so.

 

[Guv]

Vehicle: 2023 Maverick Hybrid Lariat, purchased from Covert Ford in Austin, TX.

I went on a short trip (Cedar Park, TX to Sequin, TX - about 80 miles) in my Maverick, and stopped for lunch before going to my appointment. I finished lunch and was driving the approximately 1.5 miles to the appointment. About halfway there, I stopped for at red light at an intersection of a major road and an interstate highway. Just as I pulled to a stop, the Sync system went blank, followed by the main driver's display, then almost immediately both came back on, but with every single warning light illuminated, and pop-up messages from all of those systems coming up so fast that I lost track of how many messages I got. The gas engine, of course, was shut off (as always at a stop), but the transmission was now in "Park" (I didn't touch the shifter) and the parking brake was ON. I could not change into Neutral, nor release the parking brake. Turning the vehicle off (push-button) and back on did nothing. So I was just stuck in the middle of the intersection, with the noon "rush" flowing around me (lots of angry looks, honks, and raised middle fingers directed at me). I tried everything I could think of (including searching the Maverick Truck Club) for similar scenarios and how to resolve it) with no success.

I have a Ford extended warranty, so I called them to tow me to a dealership. But the local dealership said they had no one in their service department qualified to work on hybrid vehicles, and that I would have to have it towed to either San Antonio or Austin to get it worked on. Since my "home" dealer is in Austin, I decided to have it towed there. However, Ford's towing service will only pay for it to be towed to the nearest dealer, so I had to pay almost $300 to get it towed to Austin.

This post is already going to be long, so to shorten it somewhat, my service advisor told me the only thing wrong was that the 12V battery was absolutely dead - zero volts - and that it would not accept a charge. Something must have broken inside the disabled the entire battery. They replaced it under warranty, but the detailed explanation I got from the service manager and technician scared the hell out of me! If the 12V battery fails like this, the computer shuts down the engine (and electric power as well) and puts the transmission into Park, and applies the parking brake. Until the computer sees a normal 12V signal again, it will NOT allow the vehicle to be shifted out of Park, nor allow the parking brake to release. This seems absolutely crazy to me, given that the high-voltage battery was absolutely fine, and we all know that the HVB is what recharges the 12V battery, whose only purpose is the power the computer when the hybrid system is shut down Why the hell would Ford engineer the system such that a 12V battery (an accessory at best) would force a critical shutdown - as though it were a nuclear reactor performing an emergency shutdown? It's not only ridiculous, it's downright dangerous!

The truly scary part is that if the battery failure had occurred 2 miles prior or 2 miles after it did, I would have been on an Interstate highway, going 75 mph (speed limit in this area) when the computer decided to put the vehicle into Park and apply the parking brake. Whether it would have done so at 75 mph, I have no idea (nor did the tech), but even if it had just shut down the engine and hybrid power system and had me coast to a stop, then shifted to Park and applied the parking brake, I would have been in some seriously fast traffic with an immovable vehicle. What are the odds I might have been killed in the almost inevitable rear-end collision that would follow?

This seems like a MAJOR design flaw. My wife won't even set foot in the Maverick any longer, and doesn't want me to drive it either. We both believe this is a significant hazard - especially given the track record of the 12V battery failures that have been a chronic issue in the Maverick Hybrid, as you can definitely see from these forums... So I' will no longer drive on the freeway in my Maverick, nor take it on long trips, since it has stranded me three times now. I'm starting to investigate the Lemon Law in Texas...

To make matters even worse, I have also experienced three separate occurrences of "multiple sensor" warnings:

• Pre-Collision Assist not Availble
• Powertrain Malfunction / Reduced Power
• Blind Spot Detection with Cross traffic
• High-Voltage Battery Warning (detailed message says stop as soon as possible and contact authorized dealer)
• Service Engine Soon Warning

The first time, the dealership (280 miles from home) told me the Engine Control Module needed to have the software reloaded. Doing this seemed to return the vehicle to service. The out-of-town dealership put me at the head of the queue since I was on a trip, and got me going within a couple of hours. I was extremely grateful for their quick response.

The second time I got this rash of messages, I tried, but I could not clear the problem by shutting down and restarting. This time, the dealer reported they cleared the errors, but could find nothing wrong afterward, and the vehicle performed normally for them with no further errors. This was also at an out of town dealership. I mentioned it to my "local" dealer when I went in for an oil change, but there were no errors in the system for them to go on.

The third time it happened, I was here in town, and got the "High Voltage Warning" that basically means "park the vehicle." So I again had it towed to Covert Ford. It took two days for them to get it into the shop to actually work on it. After almost a full day of diagnostics, their tech found a "damaged" connector plug in the wiring harness where the ECM connects (apparently under the hood, in one of the back corners). When he jiggled that connector, the system threw all kinds of warning messages, including the ones above. They attempted to order a new connector, but apparently they aren't in Ford's ordering system - you can only order the complete engine wiring harness. My service advisor (good guy) told me he asked why the didn't just get a new connector from somewhere like Granger, cut the existing wires, and connect the new one... Seems the wires are short enough that if they cut them, the connector will no longer reach the plug where it needs to connect.

Two days later: Bad news, no wiring harnesses available anywhere in Ford's system, and they are back-ordered, but that Ford had agreed to upgrade the order to "Emergency - vehicle not on road" status, which should give us the highest priority when the harness became available... Two days later, I was contacted by someone in Customer Service at FoMoCo, telling me she would be following up with me, keeping me updated on all the effort FoMoCo was putting toward getting my vehicle repaired to my satisfaction, and promising the would be my primary point of contact until my vehicle was repaired and back in my hands. But basically, she told me nothing the service advisor had not already told me... Fast forward several more days, and today I was contacted by a different person at Ford Customer Service, letting me know that she had tried to contact the dealership, but wasn't able to get anyone, so she had no "dealer update" for me, but that my back-ordered part was showing "pending upgrade to emergency status". I asked why it wasn't already ON emergency status, and she said "well, they don't have any in stock, so they can't make it an emergency status until they do." (Seems to kind of defeat the purpose of allowing back-orders, doesn't it?) In any case, she was totally not helpful, except to ask if the dealership had given me a loaner car (they had not. - none available when I took it in).

So after I got off the phone with her, I immediately called the dealership (which she said she could not reach "anyone" in the service department, and would not try again until after the weekend - this at roughly 2PM on Friday). The phone was answered immediately, and I was able to get my service coordinator on the phone in less than 1 minute. (So she was full of you-know-what...) I expressed my frustration at being without my truck for 3+ weeks, and asked if there was any possibility of getting a loaner vehicle. He escalated the case to his management, who escalated it to the sales team, and got approval for a loaner. I just got back home from picking up a 2024 F-150 that will be my loaner until my truck is fixed. My thanks to Covert Ford (Austin, TX) and William Heinrich (service coordinator - who had been great to work with every time I've been in the shop).

When I first took delivery of the Maverick (July, 2023), the entire sound system was non-functional. All the features "worked" other than the fact that there was no sound at all from the Sync system (so no sound through Apple Car Play, either). The dealership diagnosed the issue within a couple of hours (a bad hardware module in the Sync system), and told me it was back-ordered with no estimate on when it would be delivered. They offered me the choice of leaving the vehicle with them until the repair part came in (with a loaner in the meantime), or just go ahead and keep the truck until the part came in, at which time they would contact me an schedule a repair. Since I had only JUST picked up (and paid for) the Maverick, I elected to keep it until the part came in... Glad I did, because the part didn't come in until late December, 2023 - that's 6 1/2 months after it was ordered! Because it came in just as the holidays hit, they gave me a Mach-E loaner for Christmas holidays. When I got back from my son's house after Christmas, my truck was finally ready, and I got to hear the sound system for the first time. So again, I feel like Covert Ford did their best to accommodate me, but the FoMoCo parts inventory system let both of us down pretty badly.

And Ford, you've got some serious 'spraining to do... Either A) Ford has the worst spare parts inventory management of any motor vehicle company I've ever dealt with, or B) there has been a massive run on replacement engine wiring harnesses. To me, it is totally unacceptable for a truck to be "down for parts" for more than three weeks (this time) because there are no repair parts available in the system. In any case, the Maverick Hybrid that I absolutely loved at first has proven to be completely unreliable.

At this point, I cannot recommend to anyone that they purchase a Maverick Hybrid.

Jim,
I happen to use that same dealership in Seguin, where my FX4 came from.
They have not had a dedicated hybrid tech since 2019, I know because we used to have a great C-Max.
I don’t know how not offering a complete service department is acceptable to Ford.
I would pursue using the Lemon Law but be prepared for a fight. My wife wouldn’t touch my Maverick had a similar experience happened to us, it must have been terrifying. I avoid the lunch crowd and can only imagine how bad that day was. Your hypothetical account of a failure like this on I-10 more than likely would have ended in death or significant bodily harm.
I’ve been a Ford guy all my 64 years but problems with my wife’s 2019 Escape combined with the recalls on my Maverick have burst that Ford bubble. Subpar service only multiplies the experience/nightmare.
Have you considered selling it after you get it back? Hybrids seem to be more desirable.

 

[Snox801]

No, thus far I've only been talking to the service folks. Honestly, an F-150 won't even come close to fitting in my garage, and I really like having a pickup to haul lumber (woodworking is my hobby). For years, I put off buying anything, because there was nothing on the market the met my needs. The Maverick form factor is absolutely perfect for me, and I love the truck - but I don't trust it - at all... And that's just such a shame.

So buy the ecoboost. It suffers from non of the issues you are worried about.

 

[Snox801]

There are a bunch of reason not to purchase any vehicle. ICE have just as many issue.. Look at the F150 recall list... or even complaints. 1390 for the F150. https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2018/FORD/F-150%2520SUPER%2520CREW/PU%252FCC/4x4#complaints

Yes but a lot of those issues don’t leave you dead Intersection.
That’s what he was concerned about. Heck I have recalls on every vehicle I’ve owned but non would cause a complete loss of power.
If you actually look at the numbers of units sold versus recalls the hybrid far outpaces the eco. Then look at time of repair. Two major issues for the op.

 

[JimParker256]

Have you considered selling it after you get it back? Hybrids seem to be more desirable.

Yes, I have. I might sell it and get an EcoBoost. Or just move on from the Maverick. But to what? Maybe (ugh) the Santa Fe... I just really miss the days when I would open the garage door just to peek at my Maverick and bring a smile to my face. Now I get ulcers just thinking about it...

 

[Guv]

Yes, I have. I might sell it and get an EcoBoost. Or just move on from the Maverick. But to what? Maybe (ugh) the Santa Fe... I just really miss the days when I would open the garage door just to peek at my Maverick and bring a smile to my face. Now I get ulcers just thinking about it...

I don’t have a lot of miles on my EB but the problems I’ve had are what I would consider ticky tack. Nothing with the drivetrain, airbags, headliner and a couple of more things.

 

[JetFixxxer]

Yes but a lot of those issues don’t leave you dead Intersection.
That’s what he was concerned about. Heck I have recalls on every vehicle I’ve owned but non would cause a complete loss of power.
If you actually look at the numbers of units sold versus recalls the hybrid far outpaces the eco. Then look at time of repair. Two major issues for the op.

The F150 will go into limp mode and also will die on you . Look through the complaints...
https://www.nhtsa.gov/?nhtsaId=11616100

I don't' disagree with the OP. I would feel the same way if my vehicle did the same thing and had the same response and wait time from Ford.

To say that the Hybrid leaves you dead at an intersection and an ICE will not is just not correct.

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