2.0EB AWD 4K vs Hybrid AWD 4K towing test

[npaladin2000]

You know, we're all theorizing here. I'd like to know this myself, just because I'm a spec nerd (not even getting the tow package and won't be towing) but I think we're going to have to wait for TFL to run it through their tests before we actually know. Until then it's all guesses based on hunches.

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[colinl]

I think we'll know a lot more about this soon - when a 4K Hybrid gets into the hands of the testers.

I just looked and TFL used a pre-production '22 Maverick for towing and published to their YT channel 10/5/21. so, that's probably a best-case guess for hybrid 4k towing reviews and it could slide out weeks after that.

if Ford doesn't make pre-production trucks available to the press, that would push it out several months for production units.

 

[The Real Maverick]

I don't tow often but when I do I am at the 4k limit so I ordered a 25 with the 2.0/4k and not going to take a chance on the Hybrid even though it can do the job but don't think it can do it better than the 2.0. This will be my 4th Maverick and the last 3 had the 2.0 EB/4k so see no need to change to save a few dollars per month on fuel plus the 25 Hybrid AWD/4k is about $1400 more for my configuration.

The hybrid can't pull better than the EcoBoost. No one says that.

The EcoBoost is better for frequent towing. No debate there.

For occasional towing the hybrid will do ok.

There will be minor compromises such as driving slower on hills. Some people think it is not worth it. Just like I don't feel EcoBoost is worth it when I commute to the office 49-50 weeks a year and tow a trailer 2 or 3 weeks a year.

You can get knowledge from other owners on this site and make a choice that best suits you. I am completely satisfied with the towing ability.

No Maverick is designed to be a heavy hauler. None of them.

 

[Scupking]

I ordered a 25 hybrid with tow package. We plan on getting a travel trailer. Most we are looking at are around 3,000lb, 20.5ft long, 8ft wide and 300lb tongue weight... I sure hope the Maverick rated to tow 4,000lbs with a 400lb tongue weight limit should be able to tow that without much issues.

 

[The Real Maverick]

Something like this is appropriate for a hybrid:

TL Rove Lite 16RB

2020 to 2100 lbs dry depending on options. 154 lbs tongue wt dry.

Yes, wind is an issue at above 65 mph but really, should anyone tow this greater than 65 mph anyway? I wouldn't with an EcoBoost either.

 

[710-oil-614]

Maverick hybrid has a 2.5l 160 hp ICE motor in it. When towing, it does not use the battery, unless it's for momentary starts.

The 2.0l ecoboost has 240? hp turbo'd ICE motor.

Colorado has a 2.7l 237 hp turbo'd ICE motor.

This is just not true. When it is in tow/haul mode it does not run on battery only but it definitely uses the battery and electric motor to generate torque especially off the line.

 

[710-oil-614]

Something like this is appropriate for a hybrid:

TL Rove Lite 16RB

2020 to 2100 lbs dry depending on options. 154 lbs tongue wt dry.

Yes, wind is an issue at above 65 mph but really, should anyone tow this greater than 65 mph anyway? I wouldn't with an EcoBoost either.

I'm currently searching for a used Rove Lite to tow with my AWD Hybrid when it arrives.

 

[Ron Neal]

The hybrid can't pull better than the EcoBoost. No one says that.

The EcoBoost is better for frequent towing. No debate there.

For occasional towing the hybrid will do ok.

There will be minor compromises such as driving slower on hills. Some people think it is not worth it. Just like I don't feel EcoBoost is worth it when I commute to the office 49-50 weeks a year and tow a trailer 2 or 3 weeks a year.

You can get knowledge from other owners on this site and make a choice that best suits you. I am completely satisfied with the towing ability.

No Maverick is designed to be a heavy hauler. None of them.
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I can appreciate that you prefer the Hybrid and am sure it will work fine for you. Having owned 3 Mavericks already I feel the EB will work fine for me. With the 25 its nice to have the choice.

 

[inline_five]

This is just not true. When it is in tow/haul mode it does not run on battery only but it definitely uses the battery and electric motor to generate torque especially off the line.

Yes that is why I wrote "for momentary starts".
The battery is too small to provide any meaningful assist for an appreciable amount of time. It's just 1kwh. That's like 20 laptops.

 

[710-oil-614]

Yes that is why I wrote "for momentary starts".
The battery is too small to provide any meaningful assist for an appreciable amount of time. It's just 1kwh. That's like 20 laptops.

Oh cool I didn’t realize we measured power input by laptop.

 

[Ryom]

Given the nature of electric motor torque curves, I'd wager the hybrid feels more powerful getting started from a dead stop. Once you're rolling it's easy going save for extreme grades of substantial distance. If you are somewhere that would be a common occurrence, I'd probably consider a tow vehicle with significantly more power on tap than any Maverick has.

 

[710-oil-614]

Given the nature of electric motor torque curves, I'd wager the hybrid feels more powerful getting started from a dead stop. Once you're rolling it's easy going save for extreme grades of substantial distance. If you are somewhere that would be a common occurrence, I'd probably consider a tow vehicle with significantly more power on tap than any Maverick has.

This is the answer. 4k lbs on flat ground is not the same 4k lbs on grade both incline and decline.

I have property 4,725ft in North Carolina and it climbs 1,400 feet in less than 2 miles with the steepest grade 11% on gravel.

I would never attempt to bring a trailer down from my property weighing anything more than 2k lbs

 

[Mark’s Mav]

The result is already clear:
The hybrid’s engine is 162 hp and system power is 191 hp, so the electric motor will continuously make 29 hp (21.6 kw) when climbing a mountain, while towing. The battery is 1.1 kwh, so a 21.6 kw motor will drain the battery from 100% to zero in 3 minutes. so the first 3 minutes of climbing the grade will be fine. Once the battery is empty, the gas engine will be the only source of power, which is 162 hp at 5,600 rpm.

On the flip side, when the ecoboost is purring at its 3,000 rpm torque peak, it’s making 278 lb/ft tq and 159 hp, which is equivalent to the hybrid’s hp at max rpm. Who wants to run an engine for 30 minutes at max rpm climbing a mountain, with zero headroom left, when another model in the line up can tow the same load at 3,000 rpm and have 90 hp of headroom left for passing?

The conclusion is that the ecoboost is a competent and well suited towing rig, while the hybrid is down on power, revs annoyingly high under load and feels like 4K trailer is too taxing on the hybrid while climbing mountains at freeway speeds.

The hybrid Maverick is made to haul light loads and get great gas mileage. Ford added the 4K on the AWD so owners can occasionally tow their heavy lawnmowers or other items. Who would buy a hybrid Maverick to tow a 4000 lb load up a mountain? You need a Ranger for that.

 

[Phimosis]

Yes that is why I wrote "for momentary starts".
The battery is too small to provide any meaningful assist for an appreciable amount of time. It's just 1kwh. That's like 20 laptops.

The Mav hybrid gas engine is 162 hp. Total system output is 191 hp, so the battery can output 29 hp or 21,300 watts. A 1.1 kwh battery going from 90% to 10% (0.88 kwh discharged) would last for 2.5 minutes under full discharge. That is an appreciable amout of time, not just momentary.

 

[Phimosis]

I don't tow often but when I do I am at the 4k limit so I ordered a 25 with the 2.0/4k and not going to take a chance on the Hybrid even though it can do the job but don't think it can do it better than the 2.0. This will be my 4th Maverick and the last 3 had the 2.0 EB/4k so see no need to change to save a few dollars per month on fuel plus the 25 Hybrid AWD/4k is about $1400 more for my configuration.

Please explain why this is your fourth Maverick.
Are you just totalling them and going out and buying new ones?
Do you get bored with the color and go buy a new flavor of the month?

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