Flushing my Mav and getting a Toyota

[Decayed]

Probably Ford is happy to see you going too.
With all due respect so you expected a company to buy back your used vehicle because of some noises that have no impact to your ability to drive the car? or the steering wheel get hot not the way you like it? Did the vehicle ever left you stranded?

Maybe. Win/win at worst in that case. Why spend your money on a vehicle you don't fully trust? Why should he wait for proof that he can't trust it? It's wasted time and money nobody in their right mind wants to deal with.

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[JennyJoannSuebeeMcNash]

It's the worst value in the midsize segment today. I'd take the slightly refreshed Frontier over the new Tacoma any day of the week.

I like the looks of the new Frontier. My husband, however, is not a fan: "We're not getting a fucking Nissan!"

 

[Gonzo chris]

Well now its my turn, My issues were this... I have a clunking noise in the front end at low speed. Five times they have said they couldn't replicate the issue. Except for once they said it was normal strut noise. Also in these five trips to the service department I told them about a surging that happens when cold and slowing to a stop it switches back and forth from gas to electric. This never throws a code and tries to pull me through my brakes. (also couldn't replicate). There were some smaller issues like my heated steering wheel would either cook your hands or stop heating all together.

Through this site Ford reached out to me when I was going through this and we talked about buyback. They were very helpful but the buyback team refused to help. I spoke with a lawyer and It definitely qualifies as a lemon. I just don't have the time. I am trading it in for a Toyota. I loved this little truck, but I won't ever buy another Ford product again. As far as trading in a vehicle that I know has issues? That is on Fords hands I have all of my service receipts saying the vehicle is fine. This was the 4th new ford I have bought in my life. And maybe this falls on the local dealerships that for whatever reason couldn't resolve the issues. It is what it is, and while I am sure there are more people on here that have had zero issues and that's great. I drive 30k a year and I have to know that I can rely on and not incur unnecessary costs to repair because Ford washed their hands with it.

Yeah that sucks that they treated you that way, by the way which dealer are you training it in on so I know not to look for it that particular used Maverick.....

 

[Gonzo chris]

Sorry to hear about your bad experiences. I agree that without a good dealership/trained techs, it sucks not having them find the issue when you put a lot of time/hours into it and know something is wrong. A good dealership should have figured it out and correctly fixed it and not kick the can down the road.

I at the same time feel that a brand new vehicle to market (not just a refreshed exterior/looks) should have a few issues as its a brand new vehicle and when mass amounts of them finally hit the road, issues will be found...then fixed and future years should not have issues.

I just did a quick search for recalls via Toyota and there are a few on their 22/23/24 vehicles....which they have had on the road for decades. Those recalls in my eyes shouldn't happen because the vehicle has been on the market for that long now.

This for example...
Potential Number of Units Affected 381,199
Summary
Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturer (Toyota) is recalling certain 2022-2023 Tacoma vehicles. The axle shaft sub-assembly may separate from the axle housing due to debris causing improperly secured fasteners. Axle shaft separation can cause a loss of vehicle stability and brake performance, increasing the risk of a crash.

This design just got a 2024 redesign and was being built from 2016-2024. So the final year or so out of 8 of that design, and still having significant issues like that should not happen in my eyes.

But either way, I hope that your new Rav4 never has any issues for you and it does seem like a pretty sweet SUV. Best of luck for you!

Some issues with a new design are inevitable but most of those should be worked out during proper testing before releasing it. At the very least the company should have the ability to fix the issue and if they can't fix it replace it. I know vws get a lot of crap on reliability but I got a 2016 VW Golf that has had one recall for the sunroof leaking and it was fixed and they replaced the entire headliner and I haven't had a single issue with the car

 

[Gonzo chris]

A lot of issues to have on a new vehicle, the hybrids seem to be more problematic than the ecoboosts.

Yeah I'm still trying to decide whether I want to get a Maverick or not I guess this isn't the best place to make that call as you're going to hear more issues and less from the average consumer who hasn't had a problem. If I get one I'm still going back and forth between the EcoBoost and the hybrid. Originally I was sold on the EB because I want AWD and independent suspension. Plus I figured it'll be more fun to drive but I'm leaning more towards the hybrid for the mileage and I think the issues with the hybrid are the kind that are more immediate but are more likely to get fixed, as in software. I think problems with the EB are more likely going to be ones that show up if you keep the vehicle upwards of 100,000 miles or more. Things like the DI causing carbon issues, that combined with a turbo more likely to get fuel contamination in the oil and issues there, the turbo crapping out, the transmission seems to have more issues ETC. I think with the hybrid the motor is less strained and you don't have those other issues

 

[Sventinker]

Yeah that sucks that they treated you that way, by the way which dealer are you training it in on so I know not to look for it that particular used Maverick.....

were on separate sides of the country so you won't likely get it. lol

 

[Sventinker]

Probably Ford is happy to see you going too.
With all due respect so you expected a company to buy back your used vehicle because of some noises that have no impact to your ability to drive the car? or the steering wheel get hot not the way you like it? Did the vehicle ever left you stranded?

The steering wheel was the least of my issues, I do live in a cold climate and one of the reasons I ordered it with the LUX package was for the heated features. And no disrespect from me either, I am very adept in mechanical knowledge. If a vehicle makes a reverberating clunk in the front end it isn't going to go away it is an indication of things to come. The noise was steadily getting louder.
the surging that wouldn't stop is also another concern I mentioned that you left out in your comment. So yes to answer your question I absolutely expect Ford to Buy back a vehicle that their dealerships cannot fix. That is why we buy cars with warranties. I loved that little truck but I am not going to incur potentially a very high repair bill when whatever was making that noise decides to break. You have to remember Ford reached out to me when I posted here. They monitor what is said in all ford forum. They washed their hands of it as soon as that part of my warranty was up. the last email told me to contact the BBB ect. I could care less about ford feeling happy to see me go I paid them not the other way around.

 

[Sventinker]

Yeah I'm still trying to decide whether I want to get a Maverick or not I guess this isn't the best place to make that call as you're going to hear more issues and less from the average consumer who hasn't had a problem. If I get one I'm still going back and forth between the EcoBoost and the hybrid. Originally I was sold on the EB because I want AWD and independent suspension. Plus I figured it'll be more fun to drive but I'm leaning more towards the hybrid for the mileage and I think the issues with the hybrid are the kind that are more immediate but are more likely to get fixed, as in software. I think problems with the EB are more likely going to be ones that show up if you keep the vehicle upwards of 100,000 miles or more. Things like the DI causing carbon issues, that combined with a turbo more likely to get fuel contamination in the oil and issues there, the turbo crapping out, the transmission seems to have more issues ETC. I think with the hybrid the motor is less strained and you don't have those other issues

One thing I learned after buying the MAV is the added long term cost of any hybrid with the exception of the Prius is it will cost more to own in the lont term over just buying the same model in a non hybrid. Even with the prius owners they have to own and drive the car a lot to show a long term savings.

 

[Timothyd]

Well now its my turn, My issues were this... I have a clunking noise in the front end at low speed. Five times they have said they couldn't replicate the issue. Except for once they said it was normal strut noise. Also in these five trips to the service department I told them about a surging that happens when cold and slowing to a stop it switches back and forth from gas to electric. This never throws a code and tries to pull me through my brakes. (also couldn't replicate). There were some smaller issues like my heated steering wheel would either cook your hands or stop heating all together.

Through this site Ford reached out to me when I was going through this and we talked about buyback. They were very helpful but the buyback team refused to help. I spoke with a lawyer and It definitely qualifies as a lemon. I just don't have the time. I am trading it in for a Toyota. I loved this little truck, but I won't ever buy another Ford product again. As far as trading in a vehicle that I know has issues? That is on Fords hands I have all of my service receipts saying the vehicle is fine. This was the 4th new ford I have bought in my life. And maybe this falls on the local dealerships that for whatever reason couldn't resolve the issues. It is what it is, and while I am sure there are more people on here that have had zero issues and that's great. I drive 30k a year and I have to know that I can rely on and not incur unnecessary costs to repair because Ford washed their hands with it.

Well, It's all a cycle. I flushed my Toyota and got a Maverick. The Toyota truck was generally good and the motor was great but it was a rust bucket. I replaced the ignition switch and the master cylinder and some other things but the rust (body and frame) was so bad that the bumper fell off (during an accident) and the truck started sagging from the frame rusting through. I gave it away (at 149k miles) but later I found out that Toyota would have replaced the frame for free due to a lawsuit. So. Everything is a crap shoot.

 

[Sventinker]

Well, It's all a cycle. I flushed my Toyota and got a Maverick. The Toyota truck was generally good and the motor was great but it was a rust bucket. I replaced the ignition switch and the master cylinder and some other things but the rust (body and frame) was so bad that the bumper fell off (during an accident) and the truck started sagging from the frame rusting through. I gave it away (at 149k miles) but later I found out that Toyota would have replaced the frame for free due to a lawsuit. So. Everything is a crap shoot.

I heard about the rust issues on the Tacoma. Makes me glad I live in a dry climate. I know everyone can produce a lemon. I don't think that the Maverick is a bad vehicle I wish everyone here success and a long living experience. My gripe is with Fords handling of it.

 

[Timothyd]

I heard about the rust issues on the Tacoma. Makes me glad I live in a dry climate. I know everyone can produce a lemon. I don't think that the Maverick is a bad vehicle I wish everyone here success and a long living experience. My gripe is with Fords handling of it.

Yeah, same with Toyota. Took a class action lawsuit. Too bad there's little you can count on.

 

[inline_five]

I surprised to see the number of people with 23 hybrids saying they still have this issue. I had the same problem, plus a few others, like surging and clunking/jerking when slowing down to a stop. But that was on my 22 hybrid. The 24 hybrid I have has had none of those issues.

I have 1500 miles and it's done it three times, once about 10-15 mins into a drive and the second time it did it twice on a drive just recently. It's so rare. It seems you have to catch the motor charging the battery while braking and it gets done charging just as you are releasing the brake pedal. Very specific circumstances.

 

[Kidamer]

Wait until they learn how many issues the Rav 4's have...

I'm not blaming you for leaving if you are having problems, but the whole "Toyota because Toyota" argument has been dead for a while. That's kinda the vibe you are giving off here. It's a roll of the dice now days no matter what brand you go to. And this is coming from someone who will consider the new Camry once my Mavericks warranty is up which should put the Camry in year 3 or 4 of production. Apples to oranges in terms of truck to car comparison, same for the RAV 4, but I can't say as a previous Tacoma owner than I would ever buy a Toyota again simple for being a Toyota. If I'm buying something it's going to be for the practicality of it and it fits what I need. The RAV 4 does that you for you, and that's great. But I'm sorry you had a bad experience here.

I think you'll find the mindset is the same for whatever forum/brand you end up with when you are on those forums. You said it yourself, you have owned 4 FORD's up until now and all the sudden it's the worst brand ever. Maybe on your 4th Toyota you will feel the same? I think most people will agree you are doing the right thing and washing your hands, but the overall outlook is silly. Honestly it sounds like more of a bad dealer experience than anything else.

If you trade the RAV4 in and go "I'm done with Toyota, I bought a Subaru" the crowd is going to give you the same response. And it's "Bye Felicia". I understand the need for validation, but you can achieve this with much more tact. No sympathy from me with this post. Enjoy your new RAV-4 and good luck.

What issues do they have they are pretty stout vehicles.

 

[Montana]

What issues do they have they are pretty stout vehicles.

Since I don't feel like typing all this out:



Not saying they are not good btw. But objectively it's good to know the common issues ahead of a purchase and on a generation that is growing old and about to be refreshed, their issues are well documented.

Personally I would also lurk in the Rav-4 forums before making a purchase too. Opinions on these forums are biased, obviously, but lurking can pinpoint specifics without the need to hunt through peoples opinions.

 

[Block]

Agree - and noisy struts and hybrid oddity aren't exactly huge issues. Similar Toyota truck (or hybrid RAV4) would cost $5-15k more? That buys a long extended warranty and/or a lot of beer.

My 2013 Focus has an annoying whistle w/in a speed range that even my wife notices and annoys her. Dealer claimed they couldn't hear anything. I only tried 1x at one dealer back in 2013/2014. Instrument panel rattles. 2nd dealer agreed and replaced speedometer.in 2014/2015, but it still rattles, plus they busted the cover over the steering column. Always that risk - they break as much as they fix.

I'm a multi-millionaire w/o a huge salary, and one reason I got here is that we keep our vehicles until it truly makes no financial sense - so rusty they won't pass inspection and/or need 1000s in various repairs. After 15 years, our Fords and 2005 caravan (kept 16 years) got beyond repair. Wife wanted a (for 019) Forester (cheaper than divorce) and it's rusting quicker underneath than my Focus.
She goes to work daily, but it's still rusting a tad faster than I'd like.
My focus looks great underneath. Driving my 99 contour the first winter, and caravan two others, and then the covid teleworking has greatly reduced salt exposure...and the warm winters.

My brother's 2023 Maverick is STILL at the dealer - the 2nd (3rd?) hybrid fire recall came out just before we were ready to pick it up (August 2023). Recall it was supposed to be fixed by October 2023. We eventually gave up and ordered and received a 2024 turbo recently.

I've had so many lower end vehicles, unsure if I want another (Maverick) when the time comes. Tad small too....Can't fit much camping gear in the bed, but would cram stuff in the back seat too. Would need a bed cap to carry more stuff. When price (with cap) gets near $30k, SUVs become an option.

I think you'll find the mindset is the same for whatever forum/brand you end up with when you are on those forums. You said it yourself, you have owned 4 FORD's up until now and all the sudden it's the worst brand ever. Maybe on your 4th Toyota you will feel the same? I think most people will agree you are doing the right thing and washing your hands, but the overall outlook is silly. Honestly it sounds like more of a bad dealer experience than anything else.

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