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You guys should stop quoting this:
You can also see some examples of higher mileage Mavericks that are already hitting transmission trouble. Daniel Deliverz has a great YouTube channel on the Mav (check it out here) and his blew at ~85,000 miles! He ran what I'd call "medium" duty, and hadn't swapped any trans fluids, but 85k is nuts for transmission that needed a complete replacement.

IT WAS A BROKEN WIRE. Not a blown transmission.
Yep wire. I suspected that when saw the 1st vid of him driving it acting up. Our Chevy had same problem. Pulled trans and on and on. Was a wire in the end.
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I will never dispute being overly diligent when it comes to maintenance and using proven lubricants. If you've not spent additional money on an extended insurance plan, this is excellent move to protect your investment and hopefully prevent an unexpected repair.

As far as the referenced videos, I've seen a couple of them and would suggest that his use of the vehicle is above and beyond what the typical Maverick owner would submit their vehicle too. In fact, I'd say that Ford would likely classify some his use of his vehicle as abuse. That he experienced a transmission problem at 85k doesn't surprise me. What does is that it didn't happen sooner.

Yes, I was young, and I pounded on many of the vehicles I've owned, too. I've never "lost" an automatic transmission, clutch, or engine. I did break my Ford four speed in an '81 AMC, but that was a unit the shop told me was prone to breakage, and they had literally a supply of good used parts to fix mine without additional cost of parts.

You'll never go wrong with being overly responsive to maintenance. During the many years I've spent working at dealerships, I've even seen customers being rewarded with the manufacturer covering an "off warranty" repair so long as there is credible documentation and evidence that it has been done.
 

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Looks like the magnet is doing it’s job. Some metal is expected during the Mavs few hundred miles.
 

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I agree it's best to test the fluids, but it's no secret with these RDU's/PTU's that 30k pushes the limits of the fluid.

You guys should stop quoting this:
You can also see some examples of higher mileage Mavericks that are already hitting transmission trouble. Daniel Deliverz has a great YouTube channel on the Mav (check it out here) and his blew at ~85,000 miles! He ran what I'd call "medium" duty, and hadn't swapped any trans fluids, but 85k is nuts for transmission that needed a complete replacement.

IT WAS A BROKEN WIRE. Not a blown transmission.
That guy abuses that Maverick. Anything and everything that has failed or will fail on his vehicles (plural, like, after his Mavericks is gone) are because he doesn't really take care of stuff. I was young once too, I know what it's like, but I can't say I've ever been paying for a $30k+ vehicle at his age and treated it the way he does. At least all my vehicles back then were crap boxes on their last life anyways.

I mean... one of his most recent videos he "recovers" a stuck SUV out of the snow by putting a kinetic strap loosely on his trailer hitch. He's also been well over the 4k limit towing (massively over). And has TONS of evidence of him just outright abusing the truck. I would call it hard use if it was, but it's really a bit beyond that.

The funny thing is, I saw him at Subway near me. I was nice, but that doesn't mean I support his "reviews". I do agree with him about a couple things and we talked for a minute. Good kid overall. He definitely needs an actual mid-size or full size truck.
 
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Simple explanation: a PTU (Power Transfer Unit) and RDU (Rear Drive Unit) are what transfer the engine & axial rotation that runs along the car, out sideways to power both wheels. Only the AWD version will have an RDU as they power all 4 wheels.

The Problem: In the Mav, the PTU is in a spot that sees a lot of heat from the engine/exhaust (causing oil to break down faster) and a lot of owners are reporting their trucks are coming from the factory with lower levers of oil. Both PTU & RDU systems are also always spinning, even if they aren't being powered. Meaning, they constantly need oil to stay lubricated, no matter if you're only running the front wheels, just doing normal driving, or idling (I think) . Plus, I saw a good amount of fine metallic debris/sludge that will create increased wear over time since there really isn't a filter in either unit (just a magnet). This is even more critical if you plan on towing or doing lots of "truck" stuff.
Just to clarify a few misunderstandings here. AWD Fords have both a PTU and RDU. FWD vehicles do not. The PTU Transfers power from the transmission to the RDU to power the rear wheels. There is no need for a PTU on a FWD vehicle.

Also you are correct that they are always spinning while the vehicle is in motion. But not while idling. When the vehicle is stopped the only thing spinning is the engine and the front half of the torque converter. Everything after that will not move unless the vehicle is in motion.
 

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Next oil change the PTU gets changed. That will be around 5K. I'm guessing a 1/2 quart of PTU juice is a lot cheaper than a new PTU.
 

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Hey MTC,

There are a number of posts on here about the poor PTU/RDU fluids & wear from the factory and I wanted to add some fuel to the flame. I changed mine at ~13,000 miles and it was not in good shape (see pictures below). The PTU definitely seemed underfilled, had metallic debris, and a ton of sludge on the magnetic drain plug. The process was pretty simple, and definitely something you should do as part of your break-in fluid changes or with your first oil change (ideally before 5k miles).

You can also see some examples of higher mileage Mavericks that are already hitting transmission trouble. Daniel Deliverz has a great YouTube channel on the Mav (check it out here) and his blew at ~85,000 miles! (turns out this may not have been a blown transmission, but there is still a ton of gunk in these units.) He ran what I'd call "medium" duty, and hadn't swapped any trans fluids.

Simple explanation: a PTU (Power Transfer Unit) and RDU (Rear Drive Unit) are what transfer the engine & axial rotation that runs along the car, out sideways to power both wheels. Only the AWD version will have an RDU as they power all 4 wheels.

The Problem: In the Mav, the PTU is in a spot that sees a lot of heat from the engine/exhaust (causing oil to break down faster) and a lot of owners are reporting their trucks are coming from the factory with lower levers of oil. Both PTU & RDU systems are also always spinning, even if they aren't being powered. Meaning, they constantly need oil to stay lubricated, no matter if you're only running the front wheels, just doing normal driving, or idling (I think) . Plus, I saw a good amount of fine metallic debris/sludge that will create increased wear over time since there really isn't a filter in either unit (just a magnet). This is even more critical if you plan on towing or doing lots of "truck" stuff.

If you want your truck to last, change these oils ASAP!

How-to: There is already a great YouTube video on this by Dad's Garage that covers all the steps. This 1 is for the PTU and this 1 for the RDU. I don't have a lift, but was still able to do it with a jack & jack stands. Main difference is keeping the truck more-or-less level; so try not to jack it up too high. Also, make sure to pick-up an oil pump (something like this) as it will be near impossible to get the new oil in without it. I used OEM Motorcraft 75W Disconnect Rear Drive Unit Fluid (XY75WQL) for the RDU and Red Line 50104 75W85 GL-5 (Amazon) for the PTU. A lot of people recommend sticking with OEM for both, but I've had a lot of success in high heat applications using Red Line oil on my 2-stroke. Ultimately it's your call, but these fluids are OEM for good reason. You shouldn't need any additives as both motorcraft and red line already include the "friction modifiers" and such. Additionally, I wouldn't change to any other weight oil as these are very low volume systems that are engineered to perform a very specific way.

1. Remove the Fill Plugs: After you jack up the car, remove the FILL plug first. This prevents you being stranded if you can't get it off after draining. You'll need an 8 mm hex for the PTU plug and a pretty long ~10" extender. The RTU is the 3/8 drive right from the ratchet.
2. Drain the Oil: Remove the drain plug with the 3/8" ratchet drive and catch the oil. Take a look at it, the volume, and what's collected on the magnet of the drain plug.
3. OPTIONAL- Flush: I used pump to flush the system with a little bit of oil as you don't need a full quart for the refill.
4. Fill with Oil: After thoroughly cleaning the drain plug, screw it back in. The PTU has a rubber gasket on the plug, but I used some teflon tape for the RTU as I didn't have any sealing compound. Make sure to keep the teflon off the magnet and out of the system as much as possible. I don't know the torque specs of this drain plug, but it should be 1/4-1/2 turn over snug. Don't crank it down as it's a nightmare if stripped.
Fill both until the oil starts to come out (fill to spill) as there is no dipstick. It took ~2/3 of a quart to fill each unit.
5. Install Fill Plug: Same as the drain plug, I added some teflon tape (only at the top) to make a better seal, but you can use a sealing compound as well.

Done! should only take about 30 min once the truck is jacked up.

PTU Pictures:
Drain plug had a healthy amount of build up (smudged with my thumb to show the depth), metallic particles in the oil (the "swirls" in the 2nd photo), and a considerably lower quantity than what I added back. This concerned me the most as it's the one that gets the hottest and powers the primary wheels. I'm glad I changed this and wish I had done it closer to 5k miles.
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RDU Pictures:
Drain plug had a good amount of build up and the oil had a metallic color from fine particles (hard to capture without a video). Also saw some sludge at the bottom of the oil bucket. Fluid volume seemed to match what I added.
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Thanks for reading!
very nice writeup of a problem that i for one was'nt aware was such a big problem
 

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I just had the oil changed in the RDU and PTU at the dealers today. The mechanic thought the oil drained from my Mav "looked good to him". I would rather be safe than sorry later...
 
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I just paid 100 bucks for my first oil change and that was me buying the oil and filter and the garage changing it. If using MobilOne oil that is the cheapest it will get.

Everything is expensive now except grief and aggravation. That is usually free.
 

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You can also see some examples of higher mileage Mavericks that are already hitting transmission trouble. Daniel Deliverz has a great YouTube channel on the Mav (check it out here) and his blew at ~85,000 miles! (turns out this may not have been a blown transmission, but there is still a ton of gunk in these units.) He ran what I'd call "medium" duty, and hadn't swapped any trans fluids.
His transmission didn't wear out because of lack of maintenance but his RDU did:

 

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I'd wager around $100 or more easily. Most places they charge over $100 just for an oil change.
Honda wants $150 for transmission, $180 for rear dif, $150 for brake fluid, $120 for coolant (2015 CRV and 2016 HRV) They are all simple to do.
I haven't asked my Ford dealer yet but their hourly rate is $215 on hybrids so I will be doing my own maintenance.
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