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Would you buy an EV maverick for 25-30k?

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You might find a nice USED electric golf cart for that.
The Chinese seem to be able to offer electric cars in that price range (5 - 10k) in many parts of the world. Obviously very unlikely here due to safety regs etc.
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Ford needs to figure out how to stop bleeding billions on their EV side of the business, but management does not seem to care as the ICE side is doing gangbusters with the profit margin and carrying the water for the rest of the business.

However, the shareholders very well may not continue to be as enthusiastic as management. All the ideology aside, it always and always eventually comes down to the color of the ink.
Along this line of thought, recall that Tesla burned through BILLIONS developing their initial models, and that money came from venture capitalists, investors, etc. They were basically unprofitable for what, their first 10 years? Ford, GM, and others don't have that luxury of being a startup -- they have to answer to shareholders, so every announcement of another billion or so lost in the learning process is seen as a black eye, not money spent on innovation.
 

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200 mile range is plum pitiful. I rented a 2011 Hyundai Sonata that's worth $4,469. Drove it 600 miles on a tank. 1/10th the price, 3x the range :LOL:
It actually has a 250 mile epa estimated range but in my experience (22k miles in a model 3) you only have about 80% of your range available to you especially if you are on a road trip (highway/constant speeds).
 

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I just did a quick search for a $5k Leaf. Lowest price was $12K for a 2018. that's about a 50% depreciation hit over 5/6 years, which isn't terribly uncommon. I bet the Maverick holds about 60-65% over that time frame. And Leafs are admittedly the basic end of EV cars as far as features and range, so they're probably as "disposable" as cars get.

Still, I think a Maverick EV for about $25K would be great for a lot -- but not all -- people. A lot of people would be thrilled to not pay for $100 in gas every month.

I also doubt electric costs will go up due to demand. Think of all the homes and businesses that rely on electricity for everything else -- lights, heat, AC, etc. If anything, utilities will finally see the ROI in renewable sources that they can use to sell even more Kw at lower production costs.

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True, but keep in mind Ford's target price of $25-$30K Just means under $30k. Not necessarily Anywhere near $25K. If they could do it under $30K with 250+ range they will have a hit on their hands. If Tesla can sell the Model Y with 260 mile range under $32K, Ford should be able to offer similar range in an EV Maverick just under $30K easily.
 

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Can Ford deliver an EV capable vehicle at that price range? Probably not. By the time battery and charging tech has improved enough to allow for a lot cheaper EV platform, inflation will likely take it out of the low-cost price range.

Personally, I believe the best approach would be an XR-PHEV. Rather than trying to get 300 miles of range, aim for 100 miles with a gas engine to charge it on longer drives. For most people, 100 miles of range is plenty for daily commute and nightly charging.
 

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Would you buy an EV maverick for 25-30k?
No way in h*ll would an EV Maverick be available at that price.

Where do people get these numbers from. Their backside :rolleyes:

Even if one becomes available no way would I buy one.

The Hybrid Maverick I own does everything I need with great fuel economy without the charging or range hassels of an EV.
 

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I just did a quick search for a $5k Leaf. Lowest price was $12K for a 2018. that's about a 50% depreciation hit over 5/6 years, which isn't terribly uncommon. I bet the Maverick holds about 60-65% over that time frame. And Leafs are admittedly the basic end of EV cars as far as features and range, so they're probably as "disposable" as cars get.

Still, I think a Maverick EV for about $25K would be great for a lot -- but not all -- people. A lot of people would be thrilled to not pay for $100 in gas every month.

I also doubt electric costs will go up due to demand. Think of all the homes and businesses that rely on electricity for everything else -- lights, heat, AC, etc. If anything, utilities will finally see the ROI in renewable sources that they can use to sell even more Kw at lower production costs.

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This is a massive burdle EVs are slamming into.

The batteries dont live long. So as they get closer to that huge dreaded battery service, people ditch em.

EV tires are also a problem. So as more people experience that EVs are not maintenance free, the mystique fades. Sure I'd buy one for 30k but itd cost them 50k-60k to build.
 

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How far can it pull a 3500 lb trailer and then I will let you know
It will pull it as far as you need to go. The question is how many times will you have to stop and charge it before you get there. I MIGHT consider it if the stops are roughly equal in number and duration as filling up a tank and hitting the head.
 

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35k is more realistic and that’s because everyone wants a tv on the dash with Netflix and Apple CarPlay and other foo foo things like butt warmers and hand warmers and an extra button to push to start and power electric seats and auto lights and lane assist and self slowing auto pilot cruise control and auto temperature dual zone hvac and auto touch entry and electric locking tailgate and and and and…….
Strip that garbage off give it 280 miles range , solid 200-210 operating range at 15-85% battery all the time , a price of 27k ,that’s enough for me to go to work for 4 days + and only have to plug in 2 times a week at night .ill put my own Apple CarPlay in for 250$ and as long as it has a/c, power steering , and power windows with remote unlock I think most people won’t complain , if they do tell them step up and buy a lariat f150 to be Mr. Ranch owner.

The air cooled batteries of the first gen leaf made some bad battery ones drop to 4 or 5k. Their range was80 mile down to 40-50 when degraded so the upgrade battery fix was in the 6 k range to bump them up to 100 usable , those are an unrealistic commuter for most people in subburbs and out in the country.mostly city folk. The more modern leafs do devalue from 32k price area down to 15k area for 5 year old . The 2017 and newer keep better range and the 2019 s+/sv+ has the better range( more like 150 mile) with the 212 hp motor .

mini truck all electric would be a hit , just keep it cheap . All the techies don’t drive mini trucks anyways . They have no need , let them stick with the model 3 and y’s for the fart sounds and video games integrated into the dash.That market is taken and I don’t see Tesla getting into cheap trucks anytime soon.


The people who build America want a cheap electric truck with 200+miles usable range !!!!
At an afFORDable price.
 
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This is a massive burdle EVs are slamming into.

The batteries dont live long. So as they get closer to that huge dreaded battery service, people ditch em.

EV tires are also a problem. So as more people experience that EVs are not maintenance free, the mystique fades. Sure I'd buy one for 30k but itd cost them 50k-60k to build.
Batteries usually last 15 years, or 200-300K miles. Gas engines don't always last that long.
 

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Good sir, infotainment systems have been around since the early 2000s. There are 20 year old cars with infotainment systems that are working just fine.
Correct, infotainment systems by broad definition have been around since the 1930s.
https://www.exhibit.tech/auto-tech/evolution-of-in-car-infotainment-systems/
I should more specifically said touchscreen systems. These are only designed to last 5-6 years.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-computer-touchscreen-recall-nhtsa-designed-for-6-years-2021-2
 

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I'll pass on your 18k BEV today and twice on Sunday. They're kick around shit cars. Maybe an old fully depreciated Tesla or Leaf might be worth it as a second car. Let somebody else loose their shirt first.

They want us to hold the bag while investors make the money? No way. These BEV depreciate like a stone. Govt. should stop giving fake incentives and manipulating free markets. Sic semper tyrannis!
The climate is warming. Polar ice is melting, glaciers are receding, the chemistry of the ocean is becoming dangerously acidic, sea levels are rising. All of this and more are consequences of the greenhouse gases we continue to emit into the atmosphere, where they trap and radiate heat that would otherwise escape into space. Those are facts, not conjectures. Why is it that any attempt to solve this looming catastrophe has to devolve into misinformation and conspiracy theories? EVs are NOT shit cars and the government is NOT offering fake incentives to manipulate anything. (And please spare us the global warming hoax b.s.)
 

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Batteries usually last 15 years, or 200-300K miles. Gas engines don't always last that long.
https://www.cartalk.com/car-owning/electric-vehicle-battery-replacement-cost

The warranty generally only covers 10 years and every year the capacity in average wanes about 3% depending on use and conditions. So by 15 years you'll be 45% lost capacity with 55 remaining. Substantial loss since EVs are known for their lack of range to begin with.

So if you had an EV with a range of 300 miles (high end for most) it will be crawling between charging stations 165 miles apart or less if you use heat/AC etc.

Effectively once the battery is bad
The vehicle is totaled due to the cost of replacing it. So thus the depreciation approaches scrap value the closer it reaches end life... but worse. Because not only is the replacement prohibitively expensive its hazardous. So if you max-life an EV you'll likely either pay to have it disposed of, or at best pay 0 and somebody will take it off your hands since the scrap value will cancel out hazmat disposal.

This may change with future battery tech or future battery recycling methods. But as of now as my old professor would say
"This is what we have"
 

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OP, to answer your question, any person with an unbiased, functioning brain will buy a $25,000 BEV small truck, because there's a $7,500 incentive on top of that. Only a blithering idiot would pass on an $18,000 trucklet that doesn't need gas or regular maintenance.
This is offensive.
And I oppose government incentives to fund consumer vehicle purchase.

What I can buy is a hybrid pickup for under $30,000. And I did.
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