This is what’s in store for EV owners [LOCKED DUE TO POLITICS]

[Your_Cousin_Vinny]

The biggest problem I have with EVs is I am not looking to get one but I (and every tax payer) is helping to pay for them. If you want one fine, but don't ask me to help pay for your vehicle or the system you need to make it work. I don't ask you to help pay for my vehicle or gas.

No one asked for it, they're doing it to help level the playing field. Oil and Gas subsidies, that no one asked for either, absolutely dwarf EV tax credits. (which is just a refund for an individual's own federal tax liability, you and every other tax payer isn't directly contributing to anything, this will be changing to a rebate at time of purchase in 2024)

We spend a whole lot on subsidizing the fossil fuel industry, despite the billions they see in profits each year.

That angers me 1000 times more than someone getting some of their own money back for buying an EV.

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[Hcopter]

The biggest problem I have with EVs is I am not looking to get one but I (and every tax payer) is helping to pay for them. If you want one fine, but don't ask me to help pay for your vehicle or the system you need to make it work. I don't ask you to help pay for my vehicle or gas.

 

[RichardCranium]

It is almost always cheaper than gas
Except at tourist spots and other "gotcha" locations. Just like a hot dog is $10 at a stadium and a beer is $15.

Usually power for EV's is 3 cents to 6 cents per mile. 3 cents at home; 6 cents at a public charger.

On Average, EVs get about 3 miles per kWh (Tesla claims 3.3 to 3.8, but my friend who has one says that is not true) we will ignore the fact that there is power loss when charging a battery. The Walmart near me charges $0.52 per kWh to charge (is that a gotcha/tourist location). Compare that to the average gas price of $4.50, and you are looking at a comparison of roughly 9kwh is 1 gallon of gas. Which means a car charging in that public charger is getting 27mpg.
my at home power rate is $0.36 per kWh, assuming I don’t charge during peak hours (which is doable, unless I am planning a trip) then I get about 12.5kwh for the price of a gallon of gas. Which is about 37.5 mpg equivalent.
the biggest problem with everyone’s argument (including mine) is that everyone is speaking from their own standpoint. For me, an EV won’t work because it is expensive to charge around me, even at home, and there are no charging stations around me in central California. I live rurally and the closest EV charging is about 5 miles from my work. I have young children and family that is just outside the range of most EVs, so I would have to add that charging time to the already long car ride. Financially, for me, it is better for me to not purchase a hybrid. And for those of you attacking me for hating the environment, know this. I am giving up my Chevy Silverado that got 18mpg for a maverick that gets 30. I m giving up my Chevy Cruze that gets 38mpg for our Prius that gets averages 61. And, our power company tells us to charge at night, when all the polluting power plants have to run.
The point I am usually trying to make is to run your numbers and see what works best for your situation. In 6-8 years, as long as I get to keep the cars I have right now, my oldest will be driving. maybe an EV will be in the cards. I will still have my ICE for trips. However, I am not looking forward to the day that California tells me I can no longer buy a car that runs on gas. Based on past and current observations, we will not be ready.

 

[azadv]

No one asked for it, they're doing it to help level the playing field. Oil and Gas subsidies, that no one asked for either, absolutely dwarf EV tax credits. (which is just a refund for an individual's own federal tax liability, you and every other tax payer isn't directly contributing to anything, this will be changing to a rebate at time of purchase in 2024)

We spend a whole lot on subsidizing the fossil fuel industry, despite the billions they see in profits each year.

That angers me 1000 times more than someone getting some of their own money back for buying an EV.

I’m all for less taxes since this corrupt govt squanders much it it anyway. Interesting that those getting this EV tax break are obviously the more wealthy since they can afford the more expensive EVs and/or more than one vehicle to avoid the EV limitations.

Rich get richer.

 

[sprubs]

I’m all for less taxes since this corrupt govt squanders much it it anyway. Interesting that those getting this EV tax break are obviously the more wealthy since they can afford the more expensive EVs and/or more than one vehicle to avoid the EV limitations.

Rich get richer.

I suspect that for the most part manufacturers just raise prices.

 

[MaverRick]

I had a Mach E for about 5 months last yr. I do a lot of weekend trips and cross country trips. Weekend trip to Houston was mostly easy cause there was enough charging structure to get by but when I went to Corpus on the gulf coast that was definitely a pain and hasn’t improved at all since then. It was an interesting experiment driving an EV but ultimately decided I was correct that it’s at least 10 yrs away from reaching its potential for my life style.

We had a Mach E from July of 21 until November of last year. Loved the car but we decided to sell it because of some long road trips we had planned for this year. Luckily for us we were able to sell it before the market crashed and got most of our money back!

 

[cavemold]

Stopped by a Loves truck stop in Quartzite AZ last night on the way back to PHX from CA. Saw this line of cars leading to the EV charging station (where all stalls were full), with a Ford Lightning in the back. An older guy walked by me, looked at the line, laughed, shook his head and said “Go back to California!”.

Yea not fan of ev at all

 

[GPSMan]

My biggest chuckle are the charging stations powered by huge diesel generators.

My biggest chuckle are the comments from non-educated or under-educated posters (posers?) on sites like this one.

 

[GPSMan]

The biggest problem I have with EVs is I am not looking to get one but I (and every tax payer) is helping to pay for them. If you want one fine, but don't ask me to help pay for your vehicle or the system you need to make it work. I don't ask you to help pay for my vehicle or gas.

Why should I (a tax payer) be paying to help subsidize the gasoline going into your Maverick? Oh, you didn't know that's how the gas & oil system works!?!?

Well I didn't know you also were living under a rock.

 

[GPSMan]

The cords are pretty long. My neighbor can rarely park in his garage but he just parks near the door and the cord reaches fine.

You can use an electric dryer socket in any home / garage that already has one. No special wires or upgrades needed in those cases. And yes, 25 foot cords are common as well.

 

[Mav_RICK]

The tax breaks for BEVs need to go away period. They are unfair and they build instability in the market. BEVs have their good points and should be attractive on their own without government tax breaks. I am all for tax cuts for everyone however because most all of us pay too much.

One area I think government should play a role is helping to improve the energy grid which in reality helps everyone. If the infrastructure is improved there will be more demand for BEVs and I think that is a good thing. It's going to be a good long while before ICE goes away though.

 

[ihorse98902]

Have had a Nissan Leaf for five years. Only maintenance cost so far was to replace the 12 volt battery. We use it for trips around town. Charge it at home. Use our Maverick Hybrid for long trips. With these 2 vehicles our carbon footprint is significantly reduced.
EVs are here to stay. It's not perfect for everyone's situation but more and more people are realizing the benefits of EVs. The changeover to EVs is coming but it will take a while.

How are you significantly reducing your carbon footprint, if electricity in the US is 60% from Coal and Natural Gas?

 

[NoVaJimmy]

The tax breaks for BEVs need to go away period. They are unfair and they build instability in the market. BEVs have their good points and should be attractive on their own without government tax breaks. I am all for tax cuts for everyone however because most all of us pay too much.

One area I think government should play a role is helping to improve the energy grid which in reality helps everyone. If the infrastructure is improved there will be more demand for BEVs and I think that is a good thing. It's going to be a good long while before ICE goes away though.

Agree with this, completely ridiculous that we are subsidizing these "luxury" vehicles for the middle and upper class. Let's face it, EVs are so expensive that nobody who is considered low income is really going to afford one anyway and if need be, make the subsidy/credit only available to low income individuals but across the board EVs are expensive and there's no reason tax dollars should help especially considering the fact that manufacturers have baked in the credit anyway for most EVs.

I just had two weeks with a Hyundai Ioniq 5 EV rental while traveling for work and while it was nice to drive and I enjoyed the 1 pedal driving, charging in a relatively large city was a major pain in the ass. EVs really only make sense for those who have the ability to charge at home, otherwise it was expensive to charge using charging stations and in the whole metro area I was in I was only able to locate one charging station that I could access reliably so the infrastructure needs a ton of work.

 

[GPSMan]

On Average, EVs get about 3 miles per kWh (Tesla claims 3.3 to 3.8, but my friend who has one says that is not true) we will ignore the fact that there is power loss when charging a battery. The Walmart near me charges $0.52 per kWh to charge (is that a gotcha/tourist location). Compare that to the average gas price of $4.50, and you are looking at a comparison of roughly 9kwh is 1 gallon of gas. Which means a car charging in that public charger is getting 27mpg.
my at home power rate is $0.36 per kWh, assuming I don’t charge during peak hours (which is doable, unless I am planning a trip) then I get about 12.5kwh for the price of a gallon of gas. Which is about 37.5 mpg equivalent.
the biggest problem with everyone’s argument (including mine) is that everyone is speaking from their own standpoint. For me, an EV won’t work because it is expensive to charge around me, even at home, and there are no charging stations around me in central California. I live rurally and the closest EV charging is about 5 miles from my work. I have young children and family that is just outside the range of most EVs, so I would have to add that charging time to the already long car ride. Financially, for me, it is better for me to not purchase a hybrid. And for those of you attacking me for hating the environment, know this. I am giving up my Chevy Silverado that got 18mpg for a maverick that gets 30. I m giving up my Chevy Cruze that gets 38mpg for our Prius that gets averages 61. And, our power company tells us to charge at night, when all the polluting power plants have to run.
The point I am usually trying to make is to run your numbers and see what works best for your situation. In 6-8 years, as long as I get to keep the cars I have right now, my oldest will be driving. maybe an EV will be in the cards. I will still have my ICE for trips. However, I am not looking forward to the day that California tells me I can no longer buy a car that runs on gas. Based on past and current observations, we will not be ready.

TLDR but...

Teslas get lower end range per kWH due to all the electronic gizmos and enormous EV like hummers and lightnings get lower end range due to their huge mass. You can't change laws of physics my friend.

Commuter EV's will go 4 miles per kWh on average. I sometimes went 5-6 miles per kWh in mild weather in my Chevy Bolt.

Around CA most public charging averages out to 25 cents per kWh. Some are 50 cents. Some are free. Never seen nor paid more than 50 cents in 6 years, 60,000 miles.

Chevy Bolt EV pictured above.
6.3 miles per kWh per 25 cents.

113.4 miles per gallon at $4.50 for gas.

 

[Aherpa]

How are you significantly reducing your carbon footprint, if electricity in the US is 60% from Coal and Natural Gas?

Not to mention the 5%-15% transmission loss across the power lines. So utilities have to burn 5%-15% more carbon fuels just to cover the line loss, not to mention the added load of EVs.

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