Model Year 2023 Maverick will end October 14

[commadorebob]

Your numbers are bit off. Total 22 model year production was around 108,000. You can get that either by taking the highest 22 VIN ~115,100 and subtracting the 6900 22 VINs that were assigned but then rolled over to 23. Or you can get to it by adding the monthly Ford production totals.

There seem to be around 103,000 23 Maverick orders

Ford needed 18 months to produce the 22 Mavericks due to production ramp and constraints.

Which is close to the number I came up with (108,000), but the issue is the constraints. Ford doesn't have the capacity to meet the hybrids and that has been a pretty known fact since the beginning. Even with the ramp up in July, Ford has ~25,000 hybrid orders left over when the model year ends unless they can source a ton of supply.

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[st3v]

One of the reasons Ford likely shortened is so they don’t end up with the same issue of cancelled VINs like what happened from the 22 to 23.

 

[commadorebob]

One of the reasons Ford likely shortened is so they don’t end up with the same issue of cancelled VINs like what happened from the 22 to 23.

Only if they are conservative with their scheduling. I could see Ford not scheduling any retail in early October to prevent issues. Easier to punt fleet and stock orders.

 

[Shay]

Maybe instead of focusing on DEI training, their management should visit the Japanese or Korean automakers and see how they run an automobile company.

Really? Do you have proof Ford is balancing "DEI training" over practicing growing skills in how to produce vehicles? Or are you just injecting paranoid political rhetoric into the discussion because it makes you feel good?

 

[Old Ranchero]

I completely agree with your thoughts on this, but my biggest thing grinding my gears is this dealership allocation system. For custom orders, I feel that they should make their own system of priority and time stamp or whatever to figure out whos gets built in what order, but they will get built no matter how big or small of a dealership you bought it from nor how many allocations they get.

This biggest issue that bugs me is this... lets say they only sold 50k custom ordered Mavericks, but are going to be able to build 100k in the year... there is a high chance I wont get my vehicle built if I purchased it at a dealer who does not get many allocations and had a bunch of people out of the blue place an order for the Maverick because it was such a hit. Unless Ford bypasses the allocation system to get the vehicles built to the ones who ordered it because they have the parts, etc... if dealership A gets 1 a month and had 15 people order...the year is sold out plus some. But yet Ford can build all of them plus others, but you just happened to go to the wrong dealership that used up all of their allocations already.

Allocations are awarded monthly throughout the year. There seems to be some level of misunderstanding out there that it's a 1 time event at the beginning of the year. Using your scenario, if they only had 50k customer retail orders, but capacity to build 100k, then there would a lot of dealer stock orders built and showing up on lots to choose from and probably stop the ADM gouging.

 

[Hot Runr Guy]

If I'm Ford, I don't open it at all for hybrid. I simply roll those over and say, "This is it." Open it for EB only with the allocation information in advance.

This makes the most sense. No new MY24 Hybrid orders until ALL previously ordered 22/23's are built.

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[dusty1787]

Allocations are awarded monthly throughout the year. There seems to be some level of misunderstanding out there that it's a 1 time event at the beginning of the year. Using your scenario, if they only had 50k customer retail orders, but capacity to build 100k, then there would a lot of dealer stock orders built and showing up on lots to choose from and probably stop the ADM gouging.

I am aware of the complex mathematical formula for creating the allocation numbers, based on your region, dealership sales from previous years and other factors. But the thing I am just trying to say is that even tho Ford can potentially make every vehicle ordered within the year, there are still things like dealership allocations that can cause you to not get a vehicle in the year.

And I understand the fact that if the scenario I mentioned was real and tons of dealership stock would be around, that does not mean the combo I ordered would be there. (look at how many area 51s there are around and I personally hate that color) and at that point, why should my custom order be bypassed for the 50k other vehicles that were built?

I think Ford should have a system for building custom orders FIFO, and when they dont have parts or constraint issue, then "fill in" the orders with dealership stock allocations. The start of each month will be the big fill of custom orders for scheduling, then the following 3 weeks would be fill of fleet and dealer stock. I just feel the customers who put money down up front should be prioritized as they are already "sold" vehicles, than the dealerships where they might sit for a few days/weeks before being sold.

 

[cavemold]

That’s pretty tight schedule I guess they plan crank them out as fast as they can. By September they will reveal 24 packages . I’m hoping for st and eruption green might trade mine in

 

[REMUB40]

Where are they getting these 3rd shift workers and how well will they be trained? There seems to enough quality issues already.

 

[DuffCon]

According to posts here, they are already hired and have begun training blending in with existing production. It would obviously be not a good idea to have a 3rd "newbie" shift.

That being said mine is scheduled for April

 

[woozoo]

If I'm Ford, I don't open it at all for hybrid. I simply roll those over and say, "This is it." Open it for EB only with the allocation information in advance.

I think ford said multiple times there won't be any transition offers for MY23. But will they do rollovers or everyone will have to put in a new order?

They already did it for the Bronco's offering people to switch their Wildtrack trims and/or giving them a discount to pick up a Bronco on the lot. Now the question is, will there be a similar offer to get more people to switch to the Ecoboost?

 

[Old Ranchero]

I am aware of the complex mathematical formula for creating the allocation numbers, based on your region, dealership sales from previous years and other factors. But the thing I am just trying to say is that even tho Ford can potentially make every vehicle ordered within the year, there are still things like dealership allocations that can cause you to not get a vehicle in the year.

And I understand the fact that if the scenario I mentioned was real and tons of dealership stock would be around, that does not mean the combo I ordered would be there. (look at how many area 51s there are around and I personally hate that color) and at that point, why should my custom order be bypassed for the 50k other vehicles that were built?

I think Ford should have a system for building custom orders FIFO, and when they dont have parts or constraint issue, then "fill in" the orders with dealership stock allocations. The start of each month will be the big fill of custom orders for scheduling, then the following 3 weeks would be fill of fleet and dealer stock. I just feel the customers who put money down up front should be prioritized as they are already "sold" vehicles, than the dealerships where they might sit for a few days/weeks before being sold.

Ford doesn't require down-payment on customer orders, so even though you feel like that assumes a greater level of priority or importance - it's a moot point to Ford.
And do you REALLY trust them to roll out a new parallel FIFO system for a limited segment of buyers when they can't even run the existing system competently ?

 

[Farmer1972]

How in the world have you hung in there? I ordered 9/21. Picked up 5/22.

You are the most patient customer in the world.

It’s just a want and not a need!!!!

 

[dusty1787]

Ford doesn't require down-payment on customer orders, so even though you feel like that assumes a greater level of priority or importance - it's a moot point to Ford.
And do you REALLY trust them to roll out a new parallel FIFO system for a limited segment of buyers when they can't even run the existing system competently ?

I forgot that dealerships were generally requiring a hold/down payment, you got me there. But in my eyes, those who who ordered are sold vehicles (yes a few may back out prior to delivery)...and yet dealership stock COULD be sold eventually. I drive past a Ford Dealership daily and the same 6 or so bronco sports have been sitting in the same spots for going on 2 weeks now. Those are supposedly hot sellers too, yet at least in my area, they are just sitting. So if Ford pumped out the customer orders first, those sitting...could have been allocated to buyers waiting...vs just sitting on lots waiting to be sold.

And to be honest... if Ford is having struggles with the current system, I wouldnt mind them taking a stab at something new/changes to see if it in fact ends up being better. Could it be worse....sure, but 500-600+days wait time...seems like something could be fixed and cant be much worse. I mean hell, they just made this whole Team Blue / Team Model E / ICE change, where if dealerships want to sell EVs they have to make huge commitments and upgrades. Nobody knows how that is going to play out and if it will be a success or failure, but if they wanted to make a change, it had to start/happen at some point. just my $0.02

 

[anblatt]

That's still 20,000 more Mavericks potentially built in those 3 months than the average quarter now. With EB orders done by then, They could potentially pump out 45K Hybrids in those 3 months (if no more EB orders taken), if the parts are available. That's half of the total 23 Orders taken. Now if only the planets will align.......

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