Update: 2023 Maverick scheduling starts October 20. [Current key constraints: Hybrid, splash guards]

[TexasHybrid]

I personally do not see a single Maverick competitor presently.

Let's for now ignore the narrow range that the batteries operate in and the environmental application to get the batteries into the operating temperature. (Heating and cooling the battery pack). This really bothers me with the potential of getting into an expensive bind. Fortunately these are warrantied long enough to reduce the financial impact risk. Am expecting by the time I have to deal with the battery pack, there will be solutions.

Talking about the Hybrid

• 2K lb Towing - This is adequate for most light duty applications
• 1.4k lb Payload - Quite adequate, actually matches my full size SUV.
• Useful Bed - Adequate for lots of light duty applications. See the TFL Video on the loading up of wood. Impressive.
• Compact Car Fuel economy - Impressive as the Maverick roots are a compact car.
• Solid Power train - I expect likely zero problems with the Transmission, ICE and Motor Generators.
• Inverter - Hopefully no weak components to give problems. Seems to be OK.
• Accessories - Need to learn how to replace coolant pump, power steering and compressor. In short, be ready with knowledge and know how.
• FWD - Adequate. I am old enough to remember FWD touted as a the solution for winter driving. I am not against AWD, but would personally hedge to a FWD. I also took the driving part of Drivers Ed in the snow and ice in a rear wheel drive vehicle with a log in the trunk.

If your needs stay within the above, then I submit that the Maverick Hybrid version is a solid choice.

I started looking at the compact crossovers, even worked my way up to the Lincoln Corsair ($$$$$). As there is lots of competition there and I currently am not in desperate need; will consider that if I get in a bind without a Maverick.

As Ford is being very aggressive with product announcements and commitments in this crazy times, am anticipating 2024 to potentially offer a PHEV version of the Maverick. Possibly a Maverick Lightning. I suspect working as a supply chain professional these days to be quite the adventure and stress.

Am personally not interested in purchasing a gas powered aluminum block and heads, multi cams, turbocharged, and direct injection engine vehicle. I have that in my full size Ford based SUV and it actually concerns me with the potential cost to fix / replace. And that is after approaching 100k miles of trouble free service. I plan to keep that vehicle as it is simply way to much cost to directly replace and that vehicle offers me the capabilities that the Maverick falls short.

FWD - Front Wheel Drive
AWD - All Wheel Drive
PHEV - Plug In Hybrid Electric Vehicle
TFL - The Fast Lane - Youtube Channel

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[GTBuzz]

I would say for the near term, very few if any Hybrids will be scheduled for production.

No offense to anyone who really has their heart set on a Hybrid, but I am thankful I ordered an EB.

I also note splash guards are a constraint..... There is little point to ordering this and other ancillary iterms from the factory (floor mats, tonneau covers, etc.) when you can have your dealer install these items after your truck is delivered.

I had mentioned in other threads that it seemed odd that all @fordvideoguy 63 previews were EB only. I assumed that meant Ford was going to start the year with 100% or close to that EB builds.

Ford said the last months of 2022 builds would be all EB and no hybrids, guess they kept scheduling some hybrids anyways. So they Probably used up all the remaining inventory.

A hybrid would've been nice, but EB is still better and less expensive than anything out there right now for my needs. So I switched this year as price is the same and wanted better chance for build.

 

[projectvortex]

they should have just limited orders for hybrids at the cap of 35 percent of anticipated orders - maybe 28K. It would have been an easy piece of code - when hybrid orders were at 35K don't allow any additionals to be input. I don't know what the logic is behind letting substantially more than that go through. If somewhere down the line next year they find they have additional resources for hybs then they can open up the bank for a short while until the new max is exceeded.

Same logic applies to overbooking airline seats. The seller knows that even if everybody shows up for their seat (truck), they can offer to “buy out” or “pay off” those that truly don’t have a seat (or won’t get built). This guarantees 100% capacity fill, which, at least to the airlines is cheaper than flying empty seats. Of course, this being Ford, logic may not apply AT ALL.

 

[projectvortex]

Does this mean no hybrids will be scheduled?

At the current rate that existing 22 hybrid orders are being pushed back into November (mine included - for the 8th time), expect the following……

1. Few of any hybrids to start the 23MY
2. A much later start to the 23MY build, early December possible but more likely late, outside chance January.
3. The unexpected

 

[commadorebob]

I personally do not see a single Maverick competitor presently.

Let's for now ignore the narrow range that the batteries operate in and the environmental application to get the batteries into the operating temperature. (Heating and cooling the battery pack). This really bothers me with the potential of getting into an expensive bind. Fortunately these are warrantied long enough to reduce the financial impact risk. Am expecting by the time I have to deal with the battery pack, there will be solutions.

Talking about the Hybrid

• 2K lb Towing - This is adequate for most light duty applications
• 1.4k lb Payload - Quite adequate, actually matches my full size SUV.
• Useful Bed - Adequate for lots of light duty applications. See the TFL Video on the loading up of wood. Impressive.
• Compact Car Fuel economy - Impressive as the Maverick roots are a compact car.
• Solid Power train - I expect likely zero problems with the Transmission, ICE and Motor Generators.
• Inverter - Hopefully no weak components to give problems. Seems to be OK.
• Accessories - Need to learn how to replace coolant pump, power steering and compressor. In short, be ready with knowledge and know how.
• FWD - Adequate. I am old enough to remember FWD touted as a the solution for winter driving. I am not against AWD, but would personally hedge to a FWD. I also took the driving part of Drivers Ed in the snow and ice in a rear wheel drive vehicle with a log in the trunk.

If your needs stay within the above, then I submit that the Maverick Hybrid version is a solid choice.

I started looking at the compact crossovers, even worked my way up to the Lincoln Corsair ($$$$$). As there is lots of competition there and I currently am not in desperate need; will consider that if I get in a bind without a Maverick.

As Ford is being very aggressive with product announcements and commitments in this crazy times, am anticipating 2024 to potentially offer a PHEV version of the Maverick. Possibly a Maverick Lightning. I suspect working as a supply chain professional these days to be quite the adventure and stress.

Am personally not interested in purchasing a gas powered aluminum block and heads, multi cams, turbocharged, and direct injection engine vehicle. I have that in my full size Ford based SUV and it actually concerns me with the potential cost to fix / replace. And that is after approaching 100k miles of trouble free service. I plan to keep that vehicle as it is simply way to much cost to directly replace and that vehicle offers me the capabilities that the Maverick falls short.

FWD - Front Wheel Drive
AWD - All Wheel Drive
PHEV - Plug In Hybrid Electric Vehicle
TFL - The Fast Lane - Youtube Channel

I have and enjoy an ICE Escape (my wife drives). But with two kids, there are many times where we need more cargo storage. Low and behold, Ford introduces an Escape with a bed, aka Maverick. That Hybrid version looked very tempting. But I camp once a month with the boy scouts and having an extra vehicle available to pull the trailer would be helpful and the EB would still be more energy efficient than the Saturn I currently drive. And it's not like I don't work from home anyway and just buy one tank of gas every two-to-three months as it is. That said, I didn't want to spend almost double on an F-150. The Ranger has a smaller back seat and I have a 5'11" 12-year-old.

If Ford's Maverick PEZ dispenser was able to just push out Hybrids and those Hybrids had a 4K tow option, that is what I would have ordered. But as I work from home, the extra towing capacity was more important than the fuel savings since I don't buy a ton of fuel anyway (seriously, there are some of you buying Hybrids that will still spend more on fuel in a given year than I will with my EB). After the Maverick, our next vehicle will be an EV for my wife since she does 99% local driving.

Everyone has their reasons for buying what they are buying. If you are a daily commuter and don't have a need to tow anything, the Hybrid makes a ton of sense.

 

[MAVornoMavisthequestion]

We waste too much time speculating what Ford will do. Just wish they were better at getting products to customers. Have 2 hybrids on order. One for me and 1 for the wife. From different dealers to hedge at least one to be built.

At this point I just hope to get one. If I don't, life will move on.

 

[TonyTee]

I read about the constraints on Ford Authority. I'm confused now. The way they wrote it:

"Since 2023 Ford Maverick order banks are closed to customers, these constraints pertain to dealer stock orders, and it’s also worth noting that these supply constraints can change at any time, as has historically been the case."

I highlighted the part in question and it wasn't like that in their article.

 

[commadorebob]

I read about the constraints on Ford Authority. I'm confused now. The way they wrote it:

"Since 2023 Ford Maverick order banks are closed to customers, these constraints pertain to dealer stock orders, and it’s also worth noting that these supply constraints can change at any time, as has historically been the case."

I highlighted the part in question and it wasn't like that in their article.

In the short time I have known about Ford Authority, I have been less than impressed with their accuracy.

 

[LSchicago]

It makes since that Ford is mostly previewing the Ecoboost for the first builds. It appears many Hybrids were built this last month. Long McArthur has a bunch arriving and on the lot. Facebook members are posting Hybrids built and being shipped. September had 10,000 Mavericks built, but unknown on the engine type. Ford likely depleted the Hybrid engines, batteries and such.

But even when Hybrids are scheduled, likely only half will ever get built for MY 2023 if the high number of Hybrid orders placed is correct.

If 65% of placed orders were for Hybrids, that’s 56,000 Hybrid orders from 86,000 total.

Considering Ford said the Hybrid is constrained to 35%… that means 30,000 can be built as Hybrids.

What am I missing? And I ordered a Lariat Hybrid.

I doubt the final numbers are that high. Lots of people are convinced that 4X4 is a must, or have hybrid battery replacement cost anxiety, need the 4K tow package, hate anything electrified, or want higher power numbers of the 2.0. Some states probably are not over 10% hybrid orders.

 

[Walter56]

My prediction is MY23 starts first week of December.

FWIW, CAFE standards for MY24 increase by about 10%. Ford may want to build more EB this model year because the hybrid/ICE ratio will have to change next year to meet those standards. From their perspective, it would be easier to carry over leftover hybrid parts to next year than any ICE parts. In theory.

that's actually brilliant

 

[Eagle11]

Sounds about right. There are allot of injected molding plants in Hermosillo, Guaymas and Empalme that support the automotive industry. Big players like CooperStandard, Intec, BFGoodrich, etc.. They practice some foul stuff with letting folks go just before they complete their 90 day probation period; so no benefits are paid. Not hearsay, I did consulting work for CooperStandard and Tyco in Empalme and BFGoodrich and Intec in Guaymas (both about 60 to 90 minutes south of the Hermosillo Ford plant) for many years. New employee orientations were constant; a revolving door.

That said, if I person was on time every day, stayed busy, kept the chit chat down to a minimum, cell phone in their locker, minimal breaks and distractions... they usually kept them on... They really try to weed out all but the most conscientous hardworking folks. It's tedious work, monotonous, wears out your hands due to repetition, standing on concrete, long commutes via buses, etc... Challenging.

So basically these big companies took their horrible practice of enslaving people to another country when they couldn't get away with it here in the US. But in the end, they are losing money with this employment practice.

 

[Eagle11]

I'll hang in there for a couple of months. But the Nissan Rogue hybrid is about the same price as the lariat I ordered. I want a hybrid. So if ford doesn't make a Maverick Hybrid I'm outa here.

Interesting post, for you it's not about having a truck? I think for many, it's having a combo CUV/truck together. I have room like a CUV, and the bed of a truck. BTW, look into the CVT issue nissan has had..

 

[AznMav]

Interesting post, for you it's not about having a truck? I think for many, it's having a combo CUV/truck together. I have room like a CUV, and the bed of a truck. BTW, look into the CVT issue nissan has had..

Yeah I'd stay away from a Nissan with CVT. The jatco CVT units have a bad rep. The eCVT in Maverick is bulletproof as it is designed in conjunction with Toyota. They have cross licensing agreements for the power train. Only better hybrid would be from Toyota but they don't have a small truck and it would cost at least $5k more if they did for a comparable trim. Their Corolla hybrid base is $22k MSRP if you can find one or willing to wait a year.

 

[JimParker256]

Interesting post, for you it's not about having a truck? I think for many, it's having a combo CUV/truck together. I have room like a CUV, and the bed of a truck. BTW, look into the CVT issue nissan has had..

Yeah I'd stay away from a Nissan with CVT. The jatco CVT units have a bad rep. The eCVT in Maverick is bulletproof as it is designed in conjunction with Toyota. They have cross licensing agreements for the power train. Only better hybrid would be from Toyota but they don't have a small truck and it would cost at least $5k more if they did for a comparable trim. Their Corolla hybrid base is $22k MSRP if you can find one or willing to wait a year.

To add to the above cautions... I've got a good friend who bought a Nissan with their CVT. She's had it replaced 4 times (!) under the extended warranty period. The car has spent more time in the shop than on the road.

I asked her why not "lemon law" the car, but she has lived in three different states during that time, and (according to her - I didn't research it further) moving to a new state means new laws take effect, and the clock gets re-set.

She loved the car when she first got it, but now despises it, and cannot wait to get rid of it. Problem is that no one will buy it, and she's still making payments so she can't just dump it.

 

[Renho17]

I doubt the final numbers are that high. Lots of people are convinced that 4X4 is a must, or have hybrid battery replacement cost anxiety, need the 4K tow package, hate anything electrified, or want higher power numbers of the 2.0. Some states probably are not over 10% hybrid orders.

i don’t know, they have produced 96k mavericks so far(pre production ones too) and during a year where the Hybrid was less $ then ecoboost. I bet it was 60/40 hybrid to eco at least. CA, FL prob were higher hybrid numbers than that.

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