Hybrid shudder recall

[TheSEARCH]

There are some pics from the service manual on page 1, here again i would suggest ALL hybrid users/owners to familiarize themselves with this important info.

I did not confirm the recall, i am predicting it, this is a huge widespread defect. You will be hearing ALOT more about this situation in the coming weeks.

Post #13 and #14, have some real good info about theory of operation. And the service manual stating engine removal and HF45 has to be removed together. I believe the service manual is ford information what the dealerships follow. Hope this clears up some questions about the situation.

All I can say is this could be a HUGE problem in the coming year. Your talking engine/trans removal then replacing the damper at least 10 hours flat rate labor. YIKES that would be major money. I HOPE Ford decides to fix it before they build my 2023 Mav hybrid I just ordered.

Sponsored

 

[Squanch_Lopez]

All I can say is this could be a HUGE problem in the coming year. Your talking engine/trans removal then replacing the damper at least 10 hours flat rate labor. YIKES that would be major money. I HOPE Ford decides to fix it before they build my 2023 Mav hybrid I just ordered.

Now I'm thinking about cancelling my 2023 order

 

[Dad]

I don't see a TSB about this on the NHTSA website. Do you have a link or anything that indicates that
"ALL? HYBRID effected"?

In case anyone is interested, here's a link to the posted TSBs on the NHTSA website:
2022 FORD MAVERICK PU/CC 2WD | NHTSA

Good grief! Talk about all the things that could go wrong with your vehicle! Akin to when I took a college health class and wondered when not if I was going to come down with one of the thousands of illnesses.

 

[Dad]

Not quite yet, but its coming.

Heres my story, no vibration, no shudder until 5000m, then started noticing slight vibration when deacceleration. Now at 7000m was regularly shuddering, at 10000m its getting unbearable, and can hardly drive vehicle.

Seems like at every day, more people are complaining of engine vibration, shuddering upon acceleration, and shuddering upon deceleration.

Several members have had theirs into dealer, dealer either says cant duplicate, or they dont know whats wrong.

There is a posting right now of a mans who came apart at 80mph. I have heard of another member had his replaced.
I diagnosed mine as the damper causing vibration and shuddering, i will have mine in the shop at the end of month as soon as the air curtain recall, get it all taken care of at once.

Sequence of increased shuddering events definitely suggests the damper eating up itself. With the massive communication scope of the internet, major manufacturers no longer operate in a vacuum. Ford will not be able to ignore this problem.

 

[Timothyd]

Ok, not quite yet, but we are headed that way.

Just when i thought we had some hope, getting the battery cable lug under control, this one has finally gone public, i was hoping it wouldnt, however my Mav luck has run out.

Bad news is ALL? HYBRID effected.

Doesnt matter if its accelerating, idling vibration, regen, or deacceleration you have it.
Next bad news, engine has to come out of Mav. Is this why we couldn't get any support or recognition on it?

The flywheel/damper has to be replaced.

Heres some pics so we can bring everyone up to speed and info them.

View attachment 67257

View attachment 67258

View attachment 67259

View attachment 67260

I asked my dealer today if there was a technical bulletin at all and he said no.

I refer to it as a driveline clutch, it is indeed a friction clutch setup, with a heavy emphasis on dampning.

Just like the battery cable lug disconnect, Ford doesn't recognize its a problem yet, so off into the 23s go more defective hardware.

I dont know what it takes for Ford to recognize problems, they surely dont monitor this website for any kind of known problems.

Maybe next time around? 2024 say?

Ouch.

 

[clavicus]

Isn’t there a reasonable chance that there are just a few bad units, and not a major design flaw with imminent recalls and such? I’ve seen a post or two about a repair being required for a couple people over the past year relating to the clutch-dampener, but they didn’t have the same symptoms as you exactly, so I’m a little skeptical about the doomspeak. Once in a while I would get The Shudder, as others have, that was between 1k and 3k miles. But mine is not worse, i haven’t experienced it in months actually. Im at 4.2k or so. Anyway, I’m not sure if these are all connected issues to your advanced case. The “Common” Shudder seems more of a software issue, like grabby brakes, that we can’t quite find the common threads between who experiences it or not. Was there anyone else that currently has this issue as bad as yours?

 

[TedTX]

I have two views not overlapping about this issue and one fear of an aggressive ‘fix’ Ford would likely take.

First the root cause and fix fear. The Maverick Unlisted electric Torque. The electric motor supplies TOO much. And the wheels can’t spin quickly enough to absorb.
The clutch plate damper is forced past its programmed limit. A rare but not rare enough condition of factors.
The aggressive fix is to find a software limit to not let the electric motor spin up to its actual power.
The effects are wide spread. A once zippy little truck now has Prius like wimp.
Ok other thoughts damping plate? It’s exist to absorb mismatched forces. Take the damage so other parts don’t!
Yes it throws an error, but does it actually damage anything? Repeated over and over lead to lasting effects?
Looks like it’s kinda still holding up, people report the error code, but still drive truck normally.
Second, shudder causes, there is a unmistakable FUD campaign which is attempting to tie all shudder threads to this error code. Beyond the end result of shuddering they are unrelated.
Back to FUD. Companies never admit to a problem unless they found a solution. Cheaper the better. But to purposely reduce power once available NEVER wins any customer. Seems like some company would benefit if Ford chooses that. And it’s not Ford. Which company had massive fails out of the gate with there transmissions???? Anyone, anyone???
Hope Ford is following this thread, and takes time to consider its customers and not feel there is a growing pressure to address this solution as a ‘fix’

 

[TedTX]

Good grief! Talk about all the things that could go wrong with your vehicle! Akin to when I took a college health class and wondered when not if I was going to come down with one of the thousands of illnesses.

So, true! I took Health Career classes in high school. And was so sure I had a certain condition. After many months came to realize beyond the title of the problem it really didn’t fit. But I spent so much time thinking about it.
In college I was reading a well known book and had to write the typical junior college research paper for English. Turns out the main character DID have the condition. No one saw that before. Well ended up being published in top English research journal, kicking out some real English professors life long work.

 

[Ford Motor Company]

Js, cant blame ya, i thought i had my problems under control, this was/doesn't show up for 5000m, then if you arent familiar (and 1 of my reasons to educate the members)you dont even know its happening. Then at 10000m its acting entirely different, i believe mines coming apart as well. I have a huge back ground with dual mass flywheels. This is very much along the line of those failures.
It idle(no load), i am getting different then new vibrations w/ICE running. I am feeling shudder when deacceleration of hybrid mode. And lately seeing some banging in acceleration with ICE.
Yeah, i was pretty hyped about the Mav.
Was informed here that hybrid drive was pretty much sound from 15 yrs of research, and usuage in other hybrids of Ford.

I am pretty bummed, if its got to come apart for Ford to replace it, i believe i can make that happen.

Hey there. Can you send over a private message with your VIN and the name/location of your local Ford dealer so I can look into your Maverick's shudder issues on my end?

 

[Dad]

Looks like Ford IS following the thread. This is a reply to Mach 1

Hey there. Can you send over a private message with your VIN and the name/location of your local Ford dealer so I can look into your Maverick's shudder issues on my end?

 

[Squanch_Lopez]

If this is indeed a widespread issue with almost all or all hybrids it sounds to me like this will be catastrophic for owners and for Ford. Ford can save itself a lot of trouble, money and reputation by just dedicating some effort to prevent this issue for 2023 mavs.

Edit: Maybe it's too late to do that, but maybe Ford could just delay production of hybrids and only deliver EBs at first. I have ordered a 2023 hybrid, but I much rather wait more time than receiving a defective vehicle.

 

[KevCuRaoi]

Definitely be of a TSB status now.

I did just check, and no TSB for this issue on 2022 Maverick

Also, TSB ≠ recall.

 

[Mach 1]

Clav, you don't have enough miles/wear on yours, its coming. Remember i am the test mule. I drive differently then most, i drive and try to stay in e mode, which looks like its detrimental to long term reliability.

The only chance to this widespread is if Ford REVISED the damper. I will see if i can get part numbers and start there.

This is huge deal, how many members are reporting shudder, vibration, shaking.

Yes engine/trans has to b pulled as 1 unit, talk about tearing the thing apart!

Oh yeah dealers are turning a away owners already!!!

Several members have had theirs in already.

I dont know how many people went thru the MASS DAMPED FLYWHEEL(dual mass).

This is right up there with it, i have been down that road several times!!!

 

[Guilla]

how many members are reporting shudder, vibration, shaking.

It would be nice to see percentages of vehicles having this issue. I have almost 11,000mi on mine and I have zero shudder at any load/speed. The only time I feel the engine is at certain loads when the ICE starts, but it's not a shudder, I just feel it turn on. Nothing that could be described as vibration or shaking.

 

[aitch-2-oh]

Why do I have the continuing thought to re-read “The Boy Who Cried Wolf”?

Is it because he warned so many times and was wrong OR because, after a constant string of wrong warnings, there eventually/actually was a wolf and he got eaten.

So confusing…

Sponsored